A question that is on my mind

[Seek truth]

Yes, sexually is a natural thing, and as i said, many people don't.

Note
Rape statistics - Wikipedia
Two of the first 4 countries for rape are muslim countries dominated by Sharia law. So is that why there women are still getting assaulted and raped

These days there are no more countries dominated by sharia law except "saudi arabie"

 

[ChristineM]

These days there are no more countries dominated by sharia law except "saudi arabie"

Saudi was fourth on that list.

There are several countries dominated by sharia law. Including Pakistan which was second on that list. However only in 2006 was the law in Pakistan changed to allow rape charges to no longer be heard under sharia law but in mainstream courts.

 

[Iymus]

A woman is not a diamond,

1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

she has a brain and can think for herself so I would say it is not up to a man to dictate how a woman dresses, unless of course the arrangement is reciprocal and the man dresses how the woman in his life directs.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

I would say it is not up to a man to dictate how a woman dresses,

Better to be sexually liberated than a married modest woman it seems.

Anyway we are talking one to one, close relationship of boyfriend/girlfriend here, not public performance

A woman being compared to a diamond yet you likening it to a public performance? Perhaps a married modest woman is a public performance compared a sexually liberated woman.

 

[ChristineM]

the woman is the glory of the man.

How sad

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Bull the head of every woman is woman. Men (particularly religious men) seem to think they are superior. Their egocentric bull us what causes gender wars

Better to be sexually liberated than a married modest woman it seems.

If that is what the woman wants. The two are not mutually exclusive.
My view is that it is bettee to be sexually liberated and married

A woman being compared to a diamond yet you likening it to a public performance? Perhaps a married modest woman is a public performance compared a sexually liberated woman.

Wrong, read my post "NOT a public performance". NOT...

Is that clear nowl

 

[Iymus]

How sad

Seems to you logic of "1Co 11:7" is sad.

Bull the head of every woman is woman.

I'm a millennial; I have been socialized to this in my education and upbringing; Meaning if women truly and sincerely act this way on a collective level then I will believe it.

Men (particularly religious men) seem to think they are superior.

1Co 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
1Co 11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

Their egocentric bull us what causes gender wars

Seems more like Backlash of Hypocrisy and Double Standards.

You have your right to be sexually liberated but men who women see as of the highest value will not value your sexual liberation over modest women. This is not specific to any religion

What men and women value in each other is different because we bring different things into a relationship to complete each other.

Perhaps you see the power men may have but omit responsibilities as well the accountability that comes with that power.

Men are not perfect but the love and jealousy of a woman has fostered much of the creature comforts you enjoy today. I find it ironic that feminism originated in countries deemed as developed countries and not developing countries.

My view is that it is bettee to be sexually liberated and married

Seems like having cake and eating it to, even though the family is diabetic. Hopefully you don't complain if your husband has a modest concubine on the side who he values more. Or will you exploit a system created and maintained by men to cause him to fall?

Wrong, read my post "NOT a public performance". NOT...

Is that clear nowl

Based on your overall post and me trying to read behind the tea leaves that is a conclusion I came to in the specific context that i mentioned. Whether I am right or wrong I am not infallible.

 

[ChristineM]

Seems to you logic of "1Co 11:7" is

21st century, not the bronze age. And what logic? You mean it satisfies your mindset?

I'm a millennial; I have been socialized to this in my education and upbringing; Meaning if women truly and sincerely act this way on a collective level then I will believe it.

Truly and sincerely only come into it when misogyny fails. A woman is a woman with her own mind?

1Co 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
1Co 11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

I repeat 21st century, not the bronze age.

Seems more like Backlash of Hypocrisy and Double Standards.

You have your right to be sexually liberated but men who women see as of the highest value will not value your sexual liberation over modest women. This is not specific to any religion

What men and women value in each other is different because we bring different things into a relationship to complete each other.

Perhaps you see the power men may have but omit responsibilities as well the accountability that comes with that power.

Men are not perfect but the love and jealousy of a woman has fostered much of the creature comforts you enjoy today. I find it ironic that feminism originated in countries deemed as developed countries and not developing countries.

You have no idea his high my husband values me. Whet men and women value in s true, loving relationship is equality.

Please do not tell me what i see, it is ignorant?

I find it ironic that you dont see that equality (you call it feminism) developed in more advanced countries.

Seems like having cake and eating it to, even though the family is diabetic. Hopefully you don't complain if your husband has a modest concubine on the side who he values more. Or will you exploit a system created and maintained by men to cause him to fall?

Once again you have no idea what i am talking about but prefer to insert your personal opinion into my actions.

Based on your overall post and me trying to read behind the tea leaves that is a conclusion I came to in the specific context that i mentioned. Whether I am right or wrong I am not infallible.

Based on the fact you replied to a phrase that you misrepresented i i would suggest wrong and fallible

 

[Iymus]

21st century, not the bronze age. And what logic? You mean it satisfies your mindset?

I am assuming if something is foolish to you then it is illogical.

Truly and sincerely only come into it when misogyny fails. A woman is a woman with her own mind?

an infant or child also has their own mind. lower enlisted military personnel also have their own minds, for goodness sakes all employees in a business have their own mind; what are you trying to say?

I repeat 21st century, not the bronze age.

The man's sperm which is the spark along with determining gender which defines people is both bronze age and 21 century.

Whet men and women value in s true, loving relationship is equality.

a loving relationship comes with roles and responsibilities. it is a form of business. To my knowledge husbands want respect not equality. Any 50/50 type relationship in my opinion and observations is actually dominated by the woman.

I find it ironic that you dont see that equality (you call it feminism) developed in more advanced countries.

Feminism is men of different background and status using women to control men. In my observations is about control and not equality. Women do not rebel and over turn systems and governments.

Once again you have no idea what i am talking about but prefer to insert your personal opinion into my actions.

Perhaps I was born yesterday and lack understanding of the intention behind words based on how they are communicated.

Based on the fact you replied to a phrase that you misrepresented i i would suggest wrong and fallible

A woman is not a diamond, she has a brain and can think for herself so I would say it is not up to a man to dictate how a woman dresses, unless of course the arrangement is reciprocal and the man dresses how the woman in his life directs.

Anyway we are talking one to one, close relationship of boyfriend/girlfriend here, not public performance

A woman is not a diamond she has a brain and can think for herself.

But if a woman is a diamond she would be a public performance. "perceived interpretation"

If a woman lets a man make decisions for her which includes her outward public appearance then she is a public performance. "perceived interpretation"
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maybe I am making random illogical assessments and just using my feelings instead of being logic driven.

 

[ChristineM]

I am assuming if something is foolish to you then it is illogical.

You may assume whatever makes you happy

an infant or child also has their own mind. lower enlisted military personnel also have their own minds, for goodness sakes all employees in a business have their own mind; what are you trying to say?

So you class woman as a child, as a lower military person, as a lacky in a wharehouse? Enough said.
I am not trying anything, i im succeeding in saying a woman has her own mind.

The man's sperm which is the spark along with determining gender which defines people is both bronze age and 21 century.

And billions of years older as with the ovum, equally required

Feminism is men of different background and status using women to control men. In my observations is about control and not equality. Women do not rebel and over turn systems and governments.

Women have no need to, aggression is primarily a male fault

Perhaps I was born yesterday and lack understanding of the intention behind words based on how they are communicated.

Oh i don't think you were born yesterday but i do think you have some very outmoded ideas about women and are not able to comprehend different viewpoints.

A woman is not a diamond she has a brain and can think for herself.

But if a woman is a diamond she would be a public performance. "perceived interpretation"

If a woman lets a man make decisions for her which includes her outward public appearance then she is a public performance. "perceived interpretation"
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maybe I am making random illogical assessments and just using my feelings instead of being logic driven

Once again, even after pointing out your error you still insist on public performance... What do you not understand about the word NOT?

You certainly are making assumptions, you are attributing to me things that i have not said

And this is going nowhere.

 

[Iymus]

So you class woman as a child, as a lower military person, as a lacky in a wharehouse? Enough said.
I am not trying anything, i im succeeding in saying a woman has her own mind.

an infant or child also has their own mind. lower enlisted military personnel also have their own minds, for goodness sakes all employees in a business have their own mind; what are you trying to say?

emphasis on mind. everyone has their own mind but still have roles, responsibilities, expectations, contracts, etc.

Perhaps the terminology you are looking for is that women have the right to be female anarchist in relation to their men, family, species, etc; That the woman is a sovereign lord of her own.

And billions of years older as with the ovum, equally required

ovum seems dead while sperm are living. literally got to swim upstream in uncharted waters with no compass or google maps. I wonder how many ovum banks there are in relation to sperm banks. Perhaps equal number.

A woman is not a diamond, she has a brain and can think for herself so I would say it is not up to a man to dictate how a woman dresses, unless of course the arrangement is reciprocal and the man dresses how the woman in his life directs.

Anyway we are talking one to one, close relationship of boyfriend/girlfriend here, not public performance

I am a cultural feminist "in upbringing"; Are you telling me that there is no way to interpret from your own words that a woman who let's a man think for her and dictates how she dresses is a pubic performance ?

Trying to discern if there is hidden intention or potentially shaming language towards submissive women.
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[ChristineM]

emphasis on mind. everyone has their own mind but still have roles, responsibilities, expectations, contracts, etc.

Perhaps the terminology you are looking for is that women have the right to be female anarchist in relation to their men, family, species, etc; That the woman is a sovereign lord of her own.

That does not mean men dictate. It means everyone has their own mind

For the last time, stop telling me what i am looking for/thinking.
The terminology i am looking that woman has the right to be woman without males dictating how they should dress, how they should behave, how to blow their nose and to not have man saying "do as i say because i know best."

ovum seems dead while sperm are living. literally got to swim upstream in uncharted waters with no compass or google maps. I wonder how many ovum banks there are in relation to sperm banks. Perhaps equal number.

Wrong, learn some biology.

I am a cultural feminist "in upbringing"; Are you telling me that there is no way to interpret from your own words that a woman who let's a man think for her and dictates how she dresses is a pubic performance ?

Read my post an understanding the meaning of the word NOT. If you continue to attempt to twist my words to suite your own ego then we are done here

 

[Iymus]

The terminology i am looking that woman has the right to be woman without males dictating how they should dress, how they should behave

so can men have the right not to be men or fulfill their roles of a husband if women refuse leadership and suggestions that keeps them from getting raped, devalued, harassed, seduced, along with bringing any potential conflict and discord into the marriage, etc?

A woman is not a diamond, she has a brain and can think for herself so I would say it is not up to a man to dictate how a woman dresses, unless of course the arrangement is reciprocal and the man dresses how the woman in his life directs.

Anyway we are talking one to one, close relationship of boyfriend/girlfriend here, not public performance

So what is your meaning and intention of "not public performance" in relationship to your overall post? why did you add it in there?

I find it ironic that you dont see that equality (you call it feminism) developed in more advanced countries.

Can feminism originate and prosper in a broke nation?

Feminism is an artificial construct that is unsustainable. Oligarchs and/or Plutocrats use feminism in order to control men from rebelling, thru their women.

In the realization of an advanced country or developed nation falling; are women going to hold to feminist ideals or are women going to me more like lionesses and women of developing countries?

Curious of what type of performance Isa 4:1 would be?

Isa 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

 

[blü 2]

Is it ok to see your girlfriend naked before marriage?If your girlfriend and boyfriend?What does the bible say?

Worked for me.

 

[ChristineM]

so can men have the right not to be men or fulfill their roles of a husband if women refuse leadership and suggestions that keeps them from getting raped, devalued, harassed, seduced, along with bringing any potential conflict and discord into the marriage, etc?

Sheesh.. why do you insist on leadership, i am talking equality. And the rest of your straw man is ignored

So what is your meaning and intention of "not public performance" in relationship to your overall post? why did you add it in there?

My original post on the subject was clear, just because you repeatedly misrepresented it to suite your own ego is not my problem. Go back and check what i actually wrote rather than getting me to think for you

Can feminism originate and prosper in a broke nation?

Feminism is an artificial construct that is unsustainable. Oligarchs and/or Plutocrats use feminism in order to control men from rebelling, thru their women.

In the realization of an advanced country or developed nation falling; are women going to hold to feminist ideals or are women going to me more like lionesses and women of developing countries?

Curious of what type of performance Isa 4:1 would be?

Isa 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

And again with the feminism, this is your monkey to bear, not mine.

But yes, there are several successful cultures where the female have been prominent.

Your scripture is irrelevant

 

[Iymus]

Heart of the Matter

My original post on the subject was clear, just because you repeatedly misrepresented it to suite your own ego is not my problem. Go back and check what i actually wrote rather than getting me to think for you

A woman is not a diamond, she has a brain and can think for herself so I would say it is not up to a man to dictate how a woman dresses, unless of course the arrangement is reciprocal and the man dresses how the woman in his life directs.

Anyway we are talking one to one, close relationship of boyfriend/girlfriend here, not public performance

Yet you never clarified your reasoning and logic behind "not public performance " in relationship to your overall post.

If I am misrepresenting it why not clarify ? Why leave me in my ego or possibly others in their ego to interpret your own words when you can do it of your own volition, I apologize, and we move on?

"Not a public performance" seems like very descriptive language of something. I apologize for misrepresenting your words since you say I have and am putting words in your mouth. But the question still remains of your usage of that phrase and it's intention or underlying message.

It seems like something is not a public performance in your post.
With this being the case then the opposite of that something is a public performance.

From what I could percieve from your post, responses, and our interactions is that the opposite is a woman that let's a man thinks for her and dictates how she dresses.

My theory is that you see a certain behavior of women in relation to men as not a public performance in relation to your post

With this being the case, then there is an opposite of that certain behavior of women in relation to men that is a public example.

 

[ChristineM]

Heart of the Matter





Yet you never clarified your reasoning and logic behind "not public performance " in relationship to your overall post.

If I am misrepresenting it why not clarify ? Why leave me in my ego or possibly others in their ego to interpret your own words when you can do it of your own volition, I apologize, and we move on?

"Not a public performance" seems like very descriptive language of something. I apologize for misrepresenting your words since you say I have and am putting words in your mouth. But the question still remains of your usage of that phrase and it's intention or underlying message.

It seems like something is not a public performance in your post.
With this being the case then the opposite of that something is a public performance.

From what I could percieve from your post, responses, and our interactions is that the opposite is a woman that let's a man thinks for her and dictates how she dresses.

My theory is that you see a certain behavior of women in relation to men as not a public performance in relation to your post

With this being the case, then there is an opposite of that certain behavior of women in relation to men that is a public example.

Oh i did, maybe you didn't understand.

 

[Iymus]

Oh i did, maybe you didn't understand.

well played.

 

[Left Coast]

Is it ok to see your girlfriend naked before marriage?If your girlfriend and boyfriend?What does the bible say?

My boyfriend is fine with me seeing him naked, and we're not married. So, depends on the boyfriend.

The Bible says nothing about boyfriends or girlfriends because those concepts are products of the 20th century. Marriages in Biblical times were arranged.