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A quick pole to see where everyone stands on Katrina.
- Thread starter Neo-Logic
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Feathers in Hair
World's Tallest Hobbit
I got 100 percent of the vote! (So, yeah... with me having been the only one to vote thus far, that's only natural. Still, I've got to find joy where it is!)
jamaesi
To Save A Lamb
SoliDeoGloria
Active Member
That's all fine and dandy as long as those who raped volunteers trying to help the victoms out and violent looters are standing trial right along with them.
Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria
Feathers in Hair
World's Tallest Hobbit
Has that been confirmed?
jamaesi
To Save A Lamb
Just because a few people are taking advantage of this situation, the whole of NOLA- all the innocents, deserve to just drown?
*shakes her head*
If there was better management the looting and the crimes would have been reduced dramaticly.
I'm sick of the "DOWN WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE- ... already down!" I keep seeing- especially from those safe with their houses and lives and loved ones.
Mike182
Flaming Queer
i will not vote as i know too little to vote, yet i have watched the news and prayed that some sort of order is established and the vitally needed aid is recieved
i think that in situations like this though, its tough to know exactly what to do - but thats no excuse for doing nothing
i hesitate to point out that that's two accounts of bush failing to respond in time - 9/11 when he was informed of the first plane hitting the first tower, i believe he sat and did nothing for half an hour - and now he has seemingly failed to provide well needed aid for his citizens in their time of need
i thought you voted for a president, not a cheep monkey that cant even do bog-standard monkey tricks! :sarcastic
C_P
i think that in situations like this though, its tough to know exactly what to do - but thats no excuse for doing nothing
i hesitate to point out that that's two accounts of bush failing to respond in time - 9/11 when he was informed of the first plane hitting the first tower, i believe he sat and did nothing for half an hour - and now he has seemingly failed to provide well needed aid for his citizens in their time of need
i thought you voted for a president, not a cheep monkey that cant even do bog-standard monkey tricks! :sarcastic
C_P
Ardent Listener
Active Member
:clapSoliDeoGloria said:
In addition, an investigation into the failure of local authorities to inforce a mandatory evacuation and peace officers who deserted their sworn duties and in some cases, joined in on the looting.
Jaymes
The cake is a lie
"RUSSERT: You just heard the director of homeland securitys explanation of what has happened this last week. What is your reaction? BROUSSARD: We have been abandoned by our own country. Hurricane Katrina will go down in history as one of the worst storms ever to hit an American coast. But the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina will go down as one of the worst abandonments of Americans on American soil ever in U.S. history.
Whoever is at the top of this totem pole, that totem pole needs to be chainsawed off and weve got to start with some new leadership. Its not just Katrina that caused all these deaths in New Orleans here. Bureaucracy has committed murder here in the greater New Orleans area and bureaucracy has to stand trial before Congress now.
Broussard then discussed the difficulties local authorities had with FEMA, including one case where they actually posted armed guards to keep FEMA from cutting their communications lines:
Three quick examples. We had Wal-Mart deliver three trucks of water. FEMA turned them back. They said we didnt need them. This was a week ago. FEMA, we had 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel on a Coast Guard vessel docked in my parish. When we got there with our trucks, FEMA says dont give you the fuel. Yesterday yesterday FEMA comes in and cuts all of our emergency communication lines. They cut them without notice. Our sheriff, Harry Lee, goes back in, he reconnects the line. He posts armed guards and said no one is getting near these lines
Finally, Broussard told the tragic personal story of a colleague, and broke down:
I want to give you one last story and Ill shut up and let you tell me whatever you want to tell me. The guy who runs this building Im in, Emergency Management, hes responsible for everything. His mother was trapped in St. Bernard nursing home and every day she called him and said, Are you coming, son? Is somebody coming? and he said, Yeah, Mama, somebodys coming to get you. Somebodys coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebodys coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebodys coming to get you on Thursday. Somebodys coming to get you on Friday and she drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night! [Sobbing] Nobodys coming to get us. Nobodys coming to get us. The Secretary has promised. Everybodys promised. Theyve had press conferences. Im sick of the press conferences. For gods sakes, just shut up and send us somebody."
This isn't from some left/right/any-wing site, it was on NBC's Meet the Press.
There are no words.
Broussard then discussed the difficulties local authorities had with FEMA, including one case where they actually posted armed guards to keep FEMA from cutting their communications lines:
Three quick examples. We had Wal-Mart deliver three trucks of water. FEMA turned them back. They said we didnt need them. This was a week ago. FEMA, we had 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel on a Coast Guard vessel docked in my parish. When we got there with our trucks, FEMA says dont give you the fuel. Yesterday yesterday FEMA comes in and cuts all of our emergency communication lines. They cut them without notice. Our sheriff, Harry Lee, goes back in, he reconnects the line. He posts armed guards and said no one is getting near these lines
Finally, Broussard told the tragic personal story of a colleague, and broke down:
I want to give you one last story and Ill shut up and let you tell me whatever you want to tell me. The guy who runs this building Im in, Emergency Management, hes responsible for everything. His mother was trapped in St. Bernard nursing home and every day she called him and said, Are you coming, son? Is somebody coming? and he said, Yeah, Mama, somebodys coming to get you. Somebodys coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebodys coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebodys coming to get you on Thursday. Somebodys coming to get you on Friday and she drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night! [Sobbing] Nobodys coming to get us. Nobodys coming to get us. The Secretary has promised. Everybodys promised. Theyve had press conferences. Im sick of the press conferences. For gods sakes, just shut up and send us somebody."
This isn't from some left/right/any-wing site, it was on NBC's Meet the Press.
There are no words.
Quoth The Raven
Half Arsed Muse
God, that's just heartbreaking.
Feathers in Hair
World's Tallest Hobbit
That's the second time I've read that and the second time I've cried. I know even with my empathy, it can't be nearly as horrible as what the people are going through.
Bastet
Vile Stove-Toucher
I was watching 60 Minutes last night, and they had a report on New Orleans. I don't remember all the depressing individual stories they told/showed, but I will relate what I can remember...
There was a 72 year old woman who could not get herself out of her house in time, and who had a frail husband. "Rescue" came and got them out of the house in the aftermath, and left them on the interstate. Multitudes of cars that were ostensibly there to give aid to the victims continually drove past the couple, despite repeated attempts by the old woman to flag them down. Her husband died of a heart attack in the night...and two days later, she was still sitting beside his body, still with no food or water, still with cars just driving past and offering no aid whatsoever. A reporter stopped and helped her out.
I saw footage of a man holding up his 3 week old daughter, who had not had food or water for 3 days.
One of the hospitals that was on "higher ground" (but still ended up flooded and without power), had all the patients from another hospital shipped to them before the hurricane hit. Five days later they got around to starting to rescue them. Five days of trying to keep people alive with no power. Five days of trying to diagnose people with nothing but guesswork to go by. As the doctor interviewed said, even third world countries have better medical facilities, because at least they have generators for power, and can do basic x-rays. The hospital reeked of the dead, because the morgue was underwater. One of the patients (I'm not sure if he was from the same hospital) had been floating on a piece of plywood - complete with hospital gown and broken leg - for days before a boat full of reporters rescued him.
There were hundreds of people stranded on an overpass, because that was the highest ground they could get to. Helicopters flew over, but didn't drop any food or water to them. One man gave up after three days and jumped over the edge of the overpass to his death, because he didn't believe that help was coming.
There was a 72 year old woman who could not get herself out of her house in time, and who had a frail husband. "Rescue" came and got them out of the house in the aftermath, and left them on the interstate. Multitudes of cars that were ostensibly there to give aid to the victims continually drove past the couple, despite repeated attempts by the old woman to flag them down. Her husband died of a heart attack in the night...and two days later, she was still sitting beside his body, still with no food or water, still with cars just driving past and offering no aid whatsoever. A reporter stopped and helped her out.
I saw footage of a man holding up his 3 week old daughter, who had not had food or water for 3 days.
One of the hospitals that was on "higher ground" (but still ended up flooded and without power), had all the patients from another hospital shipped to them before the hurricane hit. Five days later they got around to starting to rescue them. Five days of trying to keep people alive with no power. Five days of trying to diagnose people with nothing but guesswork to go by. As the doctor interviewed said, even third world countries have better medical facilities, because at least they have generators for power, and can do basic x-rays. The hospital reeked of the dead, because the morgue was underwater. One of the patients (I'm not sure if he was from the same hospital) had been floating on a piece of plywood - complete with hospital gown and broken leg - for days before a boat full of reporters rescued him.
There were hundreds of people stranded on an overpass, because that was the highest ground they could get to. Helicopters flew over, but didn't drop any food or water to them. One man gave up after three days and jumped over the edge of the overpass to his death, because he didn't believe that help was coming.
Bastet
Vile Stove-Toucher
After hearing about what happened in Galveston, Texas 105 years ago, I have to admit to a sense of deja-vu.
http://www.noaa.gov/galveston1900/
http://www.1900storm.com/
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/galveston/
The granddaugher of one of the survivors of the Galveston hurricane said that in his final years, her grandfather could not remember what day it was, and did not recognise his own wife's face...but whenever it rained, he could tell the story of the hurricane as if it had happened yesterday.
Neo-Logic
Reality Checker
This may make me seem sadistic but I don't care.
I learned a long time ago to save my tears for those I know closely. I used to feel so depressed watching those infomercials on starving kids in all the 3rd world countries and the different disasters, massacres, and war pictures and videos all over the news, television, and internet.
I've learned to feel sorry for those suffering without coming to tears. I think if I or all of us let ourselves be taken over by sorrow because of other's suffering, we would be in a state of constant grief and despair.
I learned a long time ago to save my tears for those I know closely. I used to feel so depressed watching those infomercials on starving kids in all the 3rd world countries and the different disasters, massacres, and war pictures and videos all over the news, television, and internet.
I've learned to feel sorry for those suffering without coming to tears. I think if I or all of us let ourselves be taken over by sorrow because of other's suffering, we would be in a state of constant grief and despair.