A quick question about Christianity , homicide and afterlife

[�� Saint Atheist ��]

What would happen to an atheist like me, according to the Christian faith, if I am walking one day and for some reason someone kills me?
Am I sent for judgement, or heaven due to the inability to repent?
Or am I sent to hell?
Also, if I'm an atheist does that automatically mean that according to the Christian faith I'm going to hell, or is it up to God?

IF the answer is that I go to heaven, then regarding what Hitler did, did all those massacred by Hitler go to heaven? (So hypothetically, is Hitler their savior?)
IF the answer is that I'm off for judgement, then regarding what Hitler did, us there still a chance for him to go to heaven?
IF the answer is that I go to hell, can I take some painkillers?

 

[Pegg]

Jesus said that all who die will be brought back to life:

John 5:28-29 "...the hour is coming when all those in the memorial tombs (graves) will come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life and those who practised vile things to a resurrection of judgement"

and that is also what christianity teaches:
Acts 24:15 And i have hope toward God which hope these men also look forward to that there is going to be a resurrection of f both the righteous and the unrighteous"

So if you die without ever knowing or submitting yourself to God, you will be unconscious in your grave (interestingly the grave is hell in the bible) until such time that God restores you to life. When you are brought back to life, you will be given the opportunity to turn to God and accept his governance in your life. If you refuse to submit to God, you will simply return to the sleep of death. People who are dead are not conscious of anything because death is the opposite of life according to the bible:

Ecclesiastes 9:5 'The living are conscious that they will die, but the dead are conscious of nothing at all"

so death is a condition of complete unconsciousness such as when a person is asleep.

 

[�� Saint Atheist ��]

Thanks, I appreciate your reply

 

[Thruve]

Too literal. Stop worrying about hell.

 

[columbus]

Hey SA.

Here is a better conundrum based on more standard teachings than Pegg's.
Suppose you know someone guaranteed to go to Heaven. Say a sweet little three year old girl who loves Jesus very much. You put a quick .38 shot through her skull. You just made the ultimate sacrifice, she has no risk of missing Eternal Glory and you pay the price. How much more Christlike can you get?

Tom

 

[�� Saint Atheist ��]

Hi colombus!
I try to not make religion a laughing matter, but with all due respect to all theists, you have a point!
That would be "an ultimate sacrifice"...or rather "an ultimate sadist sacrifice".

 

[columbus]

I don't see this as anything like a joke. People who believe irrational things like this are very busy in the world. ISIS doesn't stand for Irish State of Iraq and Syria. The owners of Hobby Lobby successfully argued that following the law about health coverage infringed on their religious freedom.

Tom

 

[ChristineES]

What would happen to an atheist like me, according to the Christian faith, if I am walking one day and for some reason someone kills me?
Am I sent for judgement, or heaven due to the inability to repent?
Or am I sent to hell?
Also, if I'm an atheist does that automatically mean that according to the Christian faith I'm going to hell, or is it up to God?

IF the answer is that I go to heaven, then regarding what Hitler did, did all those massacred by Hitler go to heaven? (So hypothetically, is Hitler their savior?)
IF the answer is that I'm off for judgement, then regarding what Hitler did, us there still a chance for him to go to heaven?
IF the answer is that I go to hell, can I take some painkillers?

I can't answer this question nor do I really want to. I can't speak for Hitler and I've never read Mein Kampf or anything. Never had any desire to read it.

If I take Hilter out of this (why everyone always uses Hitler as an example is beyond me). But my faith teaches this: A person HAS to repent of their sins if they want to follow the faith. Repentance, according to my faith, isn't just being terribly sorry (sorry is what you are when you accidentally step on someone's toe), a person would also have to turn their whole life around to follow the faith. That is what my faith teaches.

 

[RichardParker]

I can't answer this question nor do I really want to. I can't speak for Hitler and I've never read Mein Kampf or anything. Never had any desire to read it.

If I take Hilter out of this (why everyone always uses Hitler as an example is beyond me). But my faith teaches this: A person HAS to repent of their sins if they want to follow the faith. Repentance, according to my faith, isn't just being terribly sorry (sorry is what you are when you accidentally step on someone's toe), a person would also have to turn their whole life around to follow the faith. That is what my faith teaches.

So, you think SaintAtheist (and me, f.e. as well) would go to hell, if we got killed today?
Aftere all, then we wouldn't have any chance anymore to "turn around our whole life", right? So, we'd be screwed, right?

 

[ChristineES]

So, you think SaintAtheist (and me, f.e. as well) would go to hell, if we got killed today?
Aftere all, then we wouldn't have any chance anymore to "turn around our whole life", right? So, we'd be screwed, right?

How would I know if you or anyone else is going to hell or not??

 

[sojourner]

You realize that the whole "saved/condemned" "heaven/hell" thing isn't metaphysical -- it's metaphorical?

 

[RichardParker]

How would I know if you or anyone else is going to hell or not??

You've writen:
"A person HAS to repent of their sins if they want to follow the faith."

I've taken that as you saying that only people who repent are saved from going to hell.
I obviously misinterpreted what you've writen, so appologize.

So...
Your theology doesn't prescribe what one has to do to not go to hell?

 

[ChristineES]

You've writen:
"A person HAS to repent of their sins if they want to follow the faith."

I've taken that as you saying that only people who repent are saved from going to hell.
I obviously misinterpreted what you've writen, so appologize.

So...
Your theology doesn't prescribe what one has to do to not go to hell?

My faith is complicated. I decided a long time ago that I will not condemn anyone, that I can't do so in good conscience. What I was saying was that when you follow the faith, what you must do to follow it is repent from sin.

Other people of my faith do indeed believe what you said, but I have not come to any kind of terms with it. I am also unsure of what "hell" even is. Some believe it to be the "Lake of Fire" spoken about in Revelation. But is has also been described as "the grave", which is physical death. There are other definintions for it.

 

[roger1440]

What would happen to an atheist like me, according to the Christian faith, if I am walking one day and for some reason someone kills me?
Am I sent for judgement, or heaven due to the inability to repent?
Or am I sent to hell?
Also, if I'm an atheist does that automatically mean that according to the Christian faith I'm going to hell, or is it up to God?

IF the answer is that I go to heaven, then regarding what Hitler did, did all those massacred by Hitler go to heaven? (So hypothetically, is Hitler their savior?)
IF the answer is that I'm off for judgement, then regarding what Hitler did, us there still a chance for him to go to heaven?
IF the answer is that I go to hell, can I take some painkillers?

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[Estro Felino]

What would happen to an atheist like me, according to the Christian faith, if I am walking one day and for some reason someone kills me?
Am I sent for judgement, or heaven due to the inability to repent?
Or am I sent to hell?
Also, if I'm an atheist does that automatically mean that according to the Christian faith I'm going to hell, or is it up to God?

IF the answer is that I go to heaven, then regarding what Hitler did, did all those massacred by Hitler go to heaven? (So hypothetically, is Hitler their savior?)
IF the answer is that I'm off for judgement, then regarding what Hitler did, us there still a chance for him to go to heaven?
IF the answer is that I go to hell, can I take some painkillers?

well...if you are a good altruistic person, you'll probably go to Heaven.

 

[Pegg]

well...if you are a good altruistic person, you'll probably go to Heaven.

what do people do when they get to heaven?

 

[Scott C.]

What would happen to an atheist like me, according to the Christian faith, if I am walking one day and for some reason someone kills me?
Am I sent for judgement, or heaven due to the inability to repent?
Or am I sent to hell?
Also, if I'm an atheist does that automatically mean that according to the Christian faith I'm going to hell, or is it up to God?

IF the answer is that I go to heaven, then regarding what Hitler did, did all those massacred by Hitler go to heaven? (So hypothetically, is Hitler their savior?)
IF the answer is that I'm off for judgement, then regarding what Hitler did, us there still a chance for him to go to heaven?
IF the answer is that I go to hell, can I take some painkillers?

There are degrees of heaven and hell. In order for any of us to go to the highest heaven, we must eventually accept Christ, baptism, and other ordinances (sacraments). Some of that can happen in the next life, depending on the person and what he or she did or did not know or do in this life. Only God can sort it out with perfect justice and mercy. There's a verse in the Book or Mormon that indicates that all of us will know and declare that God got it right concerning ourselves and our eternal destiny.

Hitler: Mormon thought says that not even Hitler is doomed forever in hell. He will suffer much and learn much and eventually learn to love and to appreciate his Redeemer. He will then be granted redemption from hell and be given a degree of heaven. "Oh the greatness of God, his mercy and grace" - Book of Mormon. "Wow, God is good!!" -SCOTT

 

[Estro Felino]

what do people do when they get to heaven?

what do you do when you dream?
well...when we die, we enter our own soul (or psyche, whatever).
so if your psyche is full of love, you will experiment that love forever

 

[thau]

Hey SA.

Here is a better conundrum based on more standard teachings than Pegg's.
Suppose you know someone guaranteed to go to Heaven. Say a sweet little three year old girl who loves Jesus very much. You put a quick .38 shot through her skull. You just made the ultimate sacrifice, she has no risk of missing Eternal Glory and you pay the price. How much more Christlike can you get?

Tom

Go ahead. I know there is at least one spirit hovering around who would love you for it.

Note: Nowhere does Jesus or Scripture call on any man to sacrifice his soul for another.

 

[columbus]

Go ahead. I know there is at least one spirit hovering around who would love you for it.

Note: Nowhere does Jesus or Scripture call on any man to sacrifice his soul for another.

I'm humanist enough to pretend that I don't know what you mean by "Go ahead". And Christian enough to ask if you mean The Holy Spirit.

I have no reason to think that religious tenets like "Innocent children go to Heaven" are anything but fiction. I believe that killing them just deprives them and us of their beauty. That's because I consider the religious teachings I referred to as fiction.

Traditional Christians think I am wrong believing this.

Tom