A Record 60% of Americans Say They Could Vote for an Atheist President

[Jollybear]

There is no evidence of design. ID believers cannot even define it properly. "Look's like design to me" is not evidence. That is only an unsupported claim.

Come on, you should know by now ID proponents say way more then that about design.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Come on, you should know by now ID proponents say way more then that about design.

Not really. They can't even properly define it and they have no scientific evidence for it.

 

[Jollybear]

Not really. They can't even properly define it and they have no scientific evidence for it.

I define it as a system of many vital and none vital complex parts that work together with muliple purposes.

Aka, that is design.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I define it as a system of many vital and none vital complex parts that work together with muliple purposes.

Aka, that is design.

That is only word salad. You would have to give evidence that that is "design"and could not arise naturally. Otherwise you are using the definition that I gave.

 

[Jollybear]

That is only word salad. You would have to give evidence that that is "design"and could not arise naturally. Otherwise you are using the definition that I gave.

Well, what i defined IS also what we know of human design as well.

This design, or this definition of design is what we see in nature.

There is no examples of KNOWN or proven examples of any design coming from none intelligence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, what i defined IS also what we know of human design as well.

This design, or this definition of design is what we see in nature.

There is no examples of KNOWN or proven examples of any design coming from none intelligence.

We can recognize human design due to experience. That is not what you are trying to claim. You need to find evidence that biological systems are designed.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I thought ID was complete nonsense but if a Nobel physicist is taking it seriously, maybe I was wrong. I haven't tried to find his explanation because I wouldn't understand it anyway. Quantum physics baffles me.

Like I said, I'd have to know what his evidence is.
Isaac Newton was a genius in some areas, but he also bought into alchemy, so there's that.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It looks designed and it meets the definition and hallmarks of design as well.

What does it mean to "look designed?" I don't think it looks designed. You do. How do we figure out if it is actually designed?

I've asked you in vain several times to list what the "hallmarks of design" are. Perhaps you could answer this time.

 

[joe1776]

Like I said, I'd have to know what his evidence is.
Isaac Newton was a genius in some areas, but he also bought into alchemy, so there's that.

He wouldn't have evidence, he'd be making a logical argument based on his expertise in quantum theory. To me, his expert opinion is reasonably persuasive evidence that ID isn't simply creationist BS. It's not evidence on its face that ID is a fact.