A religion more dangerous than Islam?

[danieldemol]

If association with and tacit support for political leaders is not political, then nothing is.

I think you are conflating “association” with “tacit support” it is necessary to associate with leaders as with other human beings to share the Baha’i message with them, which is exactly what we find in your Baha’i News article. There are no statements to say, “we support the overthrow of Obote” in the article. The Chile article is just an interview, one is not required to support a leader to interview them.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The biggest danger I see, is our own predudices and how much we let them overtake reason and justice.

Regards Tony

Well Tony, in some replies in this thread, I see that may be a good thought.



Peace to all from me and my Baha'i Faith.

 

[Notanumber]

As does christianity, juadism, buddhism etc.

It should be noted that professor Juan Cole estimates that Christians chalked up roughly 50 times more violent deaths than Muslims in the past century

Is criticism of those other faiths allowed in western societies?

Are you banned from drawing a likeness of anyone in those other faiths and risk losing your life for doing so?

PC is blamed for a lot of the contrition that our leaders are forced to show to Islam and that they in turn demand from the rest of us.

 

[ChristineM]

Is criticism of those other faiths allowed in western societies?

Are you banned from drawing a likeness of anyone in those other faiths and risk losing your life for doing so?

PC is blamed for a lot of the contrition that our leaders are forced to show to Islam and that they in turn demand from the rest of us.

By western societies i am assuming you mean europe, pretty much so, if the criticism is deemed abusive it will come under the hate speech umbrella ... And you know the law as well as i do.

As far as i am aware there is no passage in any other book but the quran about drawing likeness of any of the prophets. I guess if there were then you would have nothing to gripe about. As it is you are happy to honour christian christian and jewish restrictions of whatever random prohibition the have but not islamic ones.

Ever heard of respect for your fellow human beings?

 

[sooda]

Is criticism of those other faiths allowed in western societies?

Are you banned from drawing a likeness of anyone in those other faiths and risk losing your life for doing so?

PC is blamed for a lot of the contrition that our leaders are forced to show to Islam and that they in turn demand from the rest of us.

Depictions of Muhammad - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_Muhammad

 

[sooda]

By western societies i am assuming you mean europe, pretty much so, if the criticism is deemed abusive it will come under the hate speech umbrella ... And you know the law as well as i do.

As far as i am aware there is no passage in any other book but the quran about drawing likeness of any of the prophets. I guess if there were then you would have nothing to gripe about. As it is you are happy to honour christian christian and jewish restrictions of whatever random prohibition the have but not islamic ones.

Ever heard of respect for your fellow human beings?

The Quran does not explicitly forbid images of Muhammad, but there are a few hadith that have explicitly prohibited Muslims from creating visual depictions of figures.

 

[ChristineM]

The Quran does not explicitly forbid images of Muhammad, but there are a few hadith that have explicitly prohibited Muslims from creating visual depictions of figures.

There are several passages about the wrongs of idolatry.

 

[sooda]

There are several passages about the wrongs of idolatry.

Yes and they have print and television too. So the interpretation is not so rigid.. Anyone would be able to determine if an image was insulting.

 

[Firemorphic]

Is criticism of those other faiths allowed in western societies?

If you have internet access or a TV, then you already have a smorgasbord of so-called "criticism". The fact that you're not banned here for complaining is also a testament to that. Criticism of Islam is not some rare and unheard-of thing.

Are you banned from drawing a likeness of anyone in those other faiths and risk losing your life for doing so?

There is a funny paradox here. No drawing that you, or anyone else can draw can depict any figure that lived before the invention of cameras, it's literally impossible.
Exceptions being portrait artists that depicted famous people who had to stand there for hours.

Or statues, which can be dubious:

 

[sooda]

There are several passages about the wrongs of idolatry.

Images aren't necessarily objects of idolatry.

 

[ChristineM]

Images aren't necessarily objects of idolatry.

Correct, but they can be?

 

[sooda]

Correct, but they can be?

Perhaps for some too ignorant to tell the difference. I love that picture of young Ibn Saud.

 

[ChristineM]

Perhaps for some too ignorant to tell the difference. I love that picture of young Ibn Saud.

You cannot legislate against a ignorance. Unfortunately.

It is a striking picture

 

[sooda]

You cannot legislate against a ignorance. Unfortunately.

It is a striking picture

Yes. I only knew him as a very old man and I'd never seen that photograph until 2000. I think the picture was taken before 1915.

 

[Notanumber]

It is hard to imagine such a backlash if someone published a cartoon of any other religious figure no matter how distasteful or insulting it was claimed to be.

Magazine’s nude Mohammad cartoons prompt France to shut embassies, schools in 20 countries

Should there be a UN treaty against insulting religion?

“We have the impression that it’s officially allowed for Charlie Hebdo to attack the Catholic far-right but we cannot poke fun at fundamental Islamists,” Charlie Hebdo editor Stephane Charbonnier, who drew the front-page cartoon, said.

 

[sooda]

It is hard to imagine such a backlash if someone published a cartoon of any other religious figure no matter how distasteful or insulting it was claimed to be.

Magazine’s nude Mohammad cartoons prompt France to shut embassies, schools in 20 countries

Should there be a UN treaty against insulting religion?

“We have the impression that it’s officially allowed for Charlie Hebdo to attack the Catholic far-right but we cannot poke fun at fundamental Islamists,” Charlie Hebdo editor Stephane Charbonnier, who drew the front-page cartoon, said.

What did those fools think would happen?

 

[Notanumber]

What did those fools think would happen?

Who do you think are the fools and why?

Should there be a UN treaty against insulting religion?

 

[shane]

I think the religion/book itself is one factor for how dangerous the religion is. But IMO it also depends who the leaders of the religion are. Meaning, the more influential and dangerous their mindset is, the worse things they'll be able to produce by using the religion to warp peoples minds.

For example, Jim Jones was able to produce a mass suicide by using parts of Christianity but it was also simply because he was really influential and people are sheep.