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A rise in anti-religious sentiment on the forums?

Quagmire

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Jamal_a_Man said:
TV and movies, general principals in society are the tools used to push people or mould ideas into the population. secularism is preached daily on all mediums, such as ; magazines, tv, films, radio etc..
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I disagree. I think what's being presented is choice and the awareness of choice.

Up until recently, relatively speaking, people didn't have the option of developing a personal world view consisting of elements apart from whatever culture they'd been born into.

Now---thanks to education, information, and communication--we do, which is why you see people walking away from the cultural constraints of their predocessors.

People aren't willing to settle for explanations that don't make sense or that only serve whatever segment of the population they happened to be born into.

Nobodies being pushed (anymore). Doors are openning.
 
Jamal_a_Man

Jamal_a_Man

Member
Morse said:
Saying something is true doesn't necessarily mean it is true. Even anecdotal evidence is superior to what you have to say, and I'm assuming that is all you could supply us with. Above anecdotal evidence would be statistical evidence, if you could provide us with some widespread statistics and an objective interpretation.

Here is some anecdotal evidence, I personally, see far more religious programs on medium, such as; magazine, tv, films, radio, etc...

Here is some statistical evidence. This data was taken from the ARIS. It depicts the major religions in the US by self-identification (that is, these people call themselves said religions).
76.5% Christian.
13.2% Non-Religious or Secular.

BUT! There is another trend.
Percent Change from 1990-2000
Christianity - 5%
Non-Religious or Secular - 110%

Those aren't even the largest growth rates, New Age grew by 240%, Sikhism grew by 338% and Hinduism and Buddhism grew significantly as well.


Further more! There is no space before a semi-colon, only after.
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It may be so. I do not have any statistical evidence to show for it at present, but i will try and locate some. However, Secularism is more desirable for the new age, as it preaches that one can do as they please as long as it is within the laws of the land.

Religion is generally perceived as a limiting factor, and as people nowadays say 'You only live once', limiting ones life by rules seems unnecessary.

Jamal
 
Quagmire

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Jamal_a_Man said:
Religion is generally perceived as a limiting factor, and as people nowadays say 'You only live once', limiting ones life by rules seems unnecessary.

Jamal
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Religion is generally perceived as inaccurate and the product ancient agenda.

The argument that people reject religion because it places limits upon their choices assumes that these same people, in opting for a world view, haven't considered anything other than their own convienance, and, IMO, is usually proposed by someone who hasn't.
 
s3v3n

s3v3n

Seeker of perspective
Jamal_a_Man said:
It may be so. I do not have any statistical evidence to show for it at present, but i will try and locate some. However, Secularism is more desirable for the new age, as it preaches that one can do as they please as long as it is within the laws of the land.

Religion is generally perceived as a limiting factor, and as people nowadays say 'You only live once', limiting ones life by rules seems unnecessary.

Jamal
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Only questions, is it fair to say that Secularism preaches anything? The term refers only to that which is not of the church (generally referring to the western christian doctrines but not always). Additionally, the only religion I can think of that actually preaches the doctrine you've describes couldn't be called secular at all. Do a google search for the Golden Triangle, a sect in the UK in the 1800's, who among many other ideas preached the Golden and Iron rules, the Golden Rule being "Do as thou will shall be the whole of the law", the Iron (paraphrased sorry) being essentially "You will pay for everything you do.". This was hardly a secular organization, made famous more for some of it's more well known members (Alister Crowley, HP Lovecraft for instance) but known mostly for the pursuit of practical, real magic at virtually any cost.

Point being, secular isn't a specific stance so much as a grouping of ideas outside that of religion.

s3v3n
 
MSizer

MSizer

MSizer
Jamal_a_Man said:
Religion is generally perceived as a limiting factor, and as people nowadays say 'You only live once', limiting ones life by rules seems unnecessary.

Jamal
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Yes, that's why we eat babies, steal from our own children and have sex with everything that moves. It's great, you should try living like us atheists some time. There's no more fun that punching an old widow in the face for no reason.
 
Perfect Circle

Perfect Circle

Just Browsing
Jamal_a_Man said:
TV and movies, general principals in society are the tools used to push people or mould ideas into the population. secularism is preached daily on all mediums, such as ; magazines, tv, films, radio etc..
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You obviously don't live in the US...

And you must not have noticed the Conservative Christian, Rush Limbaugh backed, joke of an administration that ran this country for most of the past decade. I dare you to come to where I live and tell me that secularism is pushed on people...

There was a disclaimer on evolution on the front page of my highschool biology book. There's a church on every corner. There's even a sign on the interstate that says "Go to church or the devil will get you!".

:fork:
 
Perfect Circle

Perfect Circle

Just Browsing
MSizer said:
Yes, that's why we eat babies, steal from our own children and have sex with everything that moves. It's great, you should try living like us atheists some time. There's no more fun that punching an old widow in the face for no reason.
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I'm really ashamed of you here MSizer...

Not one mention of raping OR pillaging.
 
MSizer

MSizer

MSizer
Perfect Circle said:
I'm really ashamed of you here MSizer...

Not one mention of raping OR pillaging.
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Sorry, my bad, atheists are lazy too. I was just so lazy that the choice to not bother typing those words was much more appealing to me than my concern for the truth. I was just being selfish.
 
JMorris

JMorris

Democratic Socialist
what exactly would be the better alternative to secularism? sectarianism? hmmmm...... i dont think so.
 
blackout

blackout

Violet.
I most definately assure you there are witches.
I am both Dark Witch and Sorceress. Maga.
Your personal disbelief in who I am,
in no way makes me anything less... than who I am.

Old hag? Most definately not. :flirt:
But my children sometimes like to call me a Bwitch. ;)
 
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blackout

blackout

Violet.
JMorris said:
they dont burn well, but sometimes when its cold, you have to adapt and use whats at hand.
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This is true.
We don't burn well.

Attempting to 'burn' Self Empowered individuals who do not turn the other cheek
is generally not a good idea. :no:
 
MissAlice

MissAlice

Well-Known Member
UltraViolet said:
I most definately assure you there are witches.
I am both Dark Witch and Sorceress. Maga.
Your personal disbelief in who I am,
in no way makes me anything less... than who I am.

Old hag? Most definately not. :flirt:
But my children sometimes like to call me a Bwitch. ;)
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In that case I beseech you from hexing me before I go along my merrily way to find some wood and fire on this cold...cold day...:p
 
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