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A simple case for intelligent design

rational experiences

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Humans observing claim design is intelligent by concepts of how everything supports everything else. So have a think upon their owned thoughts.

Think self intelligent and preach self is intelligent, One of many multi preaching.

Thinking says to itself as everything is so precisely balanced it had to have come from the same place, before change, where it was perfectly balanced. Intelligent design the quote.

Spirit and eternal was that answer with the concept unconditional....owned no descriptive analogy imposed just for human science. To invent to force change to the highest coldest aspect quantified to be God O the stone planet its natural presence fused. To get energy for all scientific human inventions.

Seeing energy he quotes was created and sits in its holding place, space. Where energy got created he quotes. So energy is just one of many multi conditions involved in intelligent design involving balances and support.

We know we use energy to remain alive as a living presence. So as we need energy we impose that it is living via our owned conscious aspects.

The argument, where did and how did it come into form, and what place/cause did it come from.

A spiritual status was given, the eternal, where the uncondition of a loving being existed, owning all origins, perfect balances. For it had always existed, always will exist and only a portion of that body was changed into an imbalance, that did not allow for control......as it became reactive. Reactive conditions therefore are not balanced...and are not perfect and are not in design. For they own removal conditions.

Design, I will copy quotes science. Yet the concept is only a thought, an observation and a want. Forming a belief that the reactive stage can be copied...and not anything else. So an invention is then designed to string lots of information into an artificial placement, a machine, to then take natural form in balances, change it and then react it. Design by science conditions.

Science therefore proves to self it did not design design.....their status copying. Why it is argued over as a topic of discussion.

Anyone using basic common sense would quote, what do you personally know if none of the bodies existing for you to study did not exist first or originally? For comparing information is not design, it is comparing?
 

Tiberius

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A simple case for intelligent design

Yes, it is very simple, I understand, that G-d has endowed intelligence to us humans through the process of evolution set by Him. It is for us now to use this intelligence with wisdom so that humanity does not get ruined by all the lethal arsenal that is there. Right friends, please?

Regards

Correct.
God has given us the incredibly useful tool called "SCIENCE" by which to learn about the universe and how it works. This tool has provided us with many tools which have improved our lives. God clearly wanted us to use this tool.

However, God remains hidden from this tool. This suggests that God does not want to be found. Hence, we should obey his wishes and not believe in God.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Correct.
God has given us the incredibly useful tool called "SCIENCE" by which to learn about the universe and how it works. This tool has provided us with many tools which have improved our lives. God clearly wanted us to use this tool.

However, God remains hidden from this tool. This suggests that God does not want to be found. Hence, we should obey his wishes and not believe in God.
Remove the word He, meaning male and self and no talking, inference would then exist, as the scientist making all the statements as a he/him male man living on a and looking at a completed and formed/self owned creation as its owned status.

To speak on behalf of God is to state, never change God actually, liar brother scientist self, who always changed God O the mass of energy stone planet you live on.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Correct.
God has given us the incredibly useful tool called "SCIENCE" by which to learn about the universe and how it works. This tool has provided us with many tools which have improved our lives. God clearly wanted us to use this tool.

However, God remains hidden from this tool. This suggests that God does not want to be found. Hence, we should obey his wishes and not believe in God.
Tiberius wrote, "God has given us the incredibly useful tool called "SCIENCE" "

True. I agree, but a tool is to be used with wisdom. One does not injure one's body with a hammer while driving a nail in the wall, please. Right friend, please"

Tiberius wrote," God remains hidden from this tool"

Yes, G-d remains hidden from the tool of "science" as this is not the appropriate tool to find G-d. One will find G-d by praying to Him and by following His commandments in the truthful Word of G-d, please. That is the right and appropriate method as told by Him. Right friend, please?

Tiberius wrote, "This suggests that God does not want to be found"

Totally wrong, I understand, because G-d has categorically told:
[29:70] وَ الَّذِیۡنَ جَاہَدُوۡا فِیۡنَا لَنَہۡدِیَنَّہُمۡ سُبُلَنَا ؕ وَ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ لَمَعَ الۡمُحۡسِنِیۡنَ ﴿٪۷۰﴾
And as for those who strive in Our* path — We will surely guide them in Our ways. And verily Allah is with those who do good.

*God's
Right friend, please?

Regards
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Tiberius wrote, "God has given us the incredibly useful tool called "SCIENCE" "

True. I agree, but a tool is to be used with wisdom. One does not injure one's body with a hammer while driving a nail in the wall, please. Right friend, please"
Science is a human developed tool. It was -- is -- usually opposed by the religious. The human history of the development of science is well known.

Science ignores God. Why would God create a methodology that writes him out of the picture?

Why did God wait millions of years before only recently giving science to man?

How did God give/reveal science to man? Did a scripture outlining the method suddenly appear?

Totally wrong, I understand, because G-d has categorically told:
[29:70] وَ الَّذِیۡنَ جَاہَدُوۡا فِیۡنَا لَنَہۡدِیَنَّہُمۡ سُبُلَنَا ؕ وَ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ لَمَعَ الۡمُحۡسِنِیۡنَ ﴿٪۷۰﴾
And as for those who strive in Our* path — We will surely guide them in Our ways. And verily Allah is with those who do good.

*God's
Right friend, please?
No.
God did not categorically say that. You got it from a book; not a fact-based book of science, but a book of unsupported religious folklore.
 
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Tiberius

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Remove the word He, meaning male and self and no talking, inference would then exist, as the scientist making all the statements as a he/him male man living on a and looking at a completed and formed/self owned creation as its owned status.

To speak on behalf of God is to state, never change God actually, liar brother scientist self, who always changed God O the mass of energy stone planet you live on.

Once again, your meaning is totally lost. Your posts are not clear at all.
 

Tiberius

Well-Known Member
Tiberius wrote, "God has given us the incredibly useful tool called "SCIENCE" "

True. I agree, but a tool is to be used with wisdom. One does not injure one's body with a hammer while driving a nail in the wall, please. Right friend, please"

And so far, this tool called science is the ONLY tool we have that allows us to get verifiable evidence about the universe. In short, if we want to know anything for a fact, we MUST use science. Anything that can not be shown using science is something we can not know for a fact.

Tiberius wrote," God remains hidden from this tool"

Yes, G-d remains hidden from the tool of "science" as this is not the appropriate tool to find G-d. One will find G-d by praying to Him and by following His commandments in the truthful Word of G-d, please. That is the right and appropriate method as told by Him. Right friend, please?

Yet the alternative tool that you propose is completely unreliable. There are many people who have used this tool and come to different conclusions about God. If the tool is not reliable, how can you claim it is of any use at all?

Tiberius wrote, "This suggests that God does not want to be found"
Totally wrong, I understand, because G-d has categorically told:
[29:70] وَ الَّذِیۡنَ جَاہَدُوۡا فِیۡنَا لَنَہۡدِیَنَّہُمۡ سُبُلَنَا ؕ وَ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ لَمَعَ الۡمُحۡسِنِیۡنَ ﴿٪۷۰﴾
And as for those who strive in Our* path — We will surely guide them in Our ways. And verily Allah is with those who do good.

*God's
Right friend, please?

Regards

Of course, since you have not and can not verify the Koran using science, you can not verify FOR A FACT that the claims made within it are accurate. All you have is your alternative tool, which as we already discussed, is not a reliable method for finding the true nature of the universe.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Once again, your meaning is totally lost. Your posts are not clear at all.
The science claims are all just human, thinking as a human posing that intelligent design exists.

As an inventor he poses artificial themes to abstract from mass which is not any owner design. O mass when you look at Earth is a mass planet body God as stone sitting in space without any design.

To invent you USE design. Applied by the human thinking theist.

So as you changed natural mass which owns no design, you then were attacked by design itself. Why the ground mass of the Earth owns your science evidence that the state AI artificial caused it.

Earth originally in its mass form, Earth/stone never owned any atmosphere to do anything other than cool its mass.

Science designed his machine, from the abstraction design thesis beginnings, which owns no machine/to reaction/to change involved first.

So first he pondered the creation, which is not reactive.

So then he pondered looking back to a place where reaction once reacted. Which places God, natural into an unnatural situation. Having changed, overcome change and no longer owned the reaction.

How artificial design, the machine an actual design then artificially ground attacked the Earth as if his machine released its design and lost its physical mass presence, as owner of all reactive causes.

As if the machine mass disappeared.

Then the science self re builds the same technology of the past and quotes, God rebuilt it and replaced the mass/machine. When he abstracted it again from the God Earth.

How our brother the philosopher in medical healer sciences knew him completely as the coercer Destroyer self in human life.

It is how he came about claiming God built science...when a human did.
It is how he came about theorising that stone gets replaced as stone after a machine reaction takes it away. Yet in fact abstracted the physical mass presence and design the machine.

Stone, was never created, it evolved. So how could stone replace stone, when energy is not stone?
 

Tiberius

Well-Known Member
The science claims are all just human, thinking as a human posing that intelligent design exists.

As an inventor he poses artificial themes to abstract from mass which is not any owner design. O mass when you look at Earth is a mass planet body God as stone sitting in space without any design.

To invent you USE design. Applied by the human thinking theist.

So as you changed natural mass which owns no design, you then were attacked by design itself. Why the ground mass of the Earth owns your science evidence that the state AI artificial caused it.

Earth originally in its mass form, Earth/stone never owned any atmosphere to do anything other than cool its mass.

Science designed his machine, from the abstraction design thesis beginnings, which owns no machine/to reaction/to change involved first.

So first he pondered the creation, which is not reactive.

So then he pondered looking back to a place where reaction once reacted. Which places God, natural into an unnatural situation. Having changed, overcome change and no longer owned the reaction.

How artificial design, the machine an actual design then artificially ground attacked the Earth as if his machine released its design and lost its physical mass presence, as owner of all reactive causes.

As if the machine mass disappeared.

Then the science self re builds the same technology of the past and quotes, God rebuilt it and replaced the mass/machine. When he abstracted it again from the God Earth.

How our brother the philosopher in medical healer sciences knew him completely as the coercer Destroyer self in human life.

It is how he came about claiming God built science...when a human did.
It is how he came about theorising that stone gets replaced as stone after a machine reaction takes it away. Yet in fact abstracted the physical mass presence and design the machine.

Stone, was never created, it evolved. So how could stone replace stone, when energy is not stone?

Again, your posts seem to be meaningless. What does it mean for a person to "abstract from mass"?
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Again, your posts seem to be meaningless. What does it mean for a person to "abstract from mass"?
Your machine is taken from the body God mass not from the cosmos.

Yet your so called string theory is about cosmic beginnings by your say so. When the cosmos also owns no beginning. Everything you discuss is present.

Humans tried to claim that they invented everything including life.

A male as an adult and a Father has sex to produce his life. His owned age only as old as he says he is. Science does not include self presence, reason sex in life.

Science also says, quote.....everything/body I study, which is self present, self owned, self owner.

Says I can prove. Did cloning. Yet all bodies are parents that owned the cells that owned either sperm or ovary. So you never proved anything other than yes, babies came from their owned adult parent bodies.

Science origins, to thesis to invent for a machine designed, built and then design reaction....2 variances to a design.

Also discuss big bang. Ask the scientist, are you copying the big bang. No is his reply. Then why theory about it?
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Correct.
God has given us the incredibly useful tool called "SCIENCE"


Humans came up with the scientific method.

This tool has provided us with many tools which have improved our lives. God clearly wanted us to use this tool.

No, it's entirely a human enterprise.

However, God remains hidden from this tool. This suggests that God does not want to be found. Hence, we should obey his wishes and not believe in God.

God looks and sounds very similar to the monster under my 4-year old's bed.

And I just noticed what you did there. Nice. :)
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Discussing God O as a stone planet thesis for all abstracted physical manipulations of that body mass by a male human scientist living upon the planet itself.

Control of the Earth as God as if it is a machine. Machine the only place of a non reactive presence as mass. No reaction sitting idle. Then mind quotes, a reaction.

Then quotes a God reaction.

Are you controlling God? Should be his question and also science answer as information of human male sciences about God the stone philosophy. Actual human science beginnings?

The answer is no.

How do you know you never controlled God like you do a machine reaction?

As the core heart reaction of God the Earth was never controlled.

Science in modern times. Isn't all symbolism for science from biblical data historic as inference to how dust fission on the ground state of God began science, and hence inferred to the sacrifice of his man/male natural life in reality?

Then the God unsealing of its mass history to its core heart energetic radiation release cause/effect. Is not any machine.

Yet males, in the experience of a living higher life, got irradiated, were converted, were recorded, gained the total of the information about heart core/cooling/ground chemical dust fission in that historic event?

Yes....so modelled the core control model as a nuclear power plant...and became mind possessed by all history male thinking for science, overcome and mind conscious flooded by feed back irradiated heavenly gas mass burning increase.

When historic human DNA advice is that DNA exodus left the human life, leaving only a small healthy human higher life form, owning the mutated flooded irradiated sacrificed mutated life...and it was all documented, yet never taught correctly.

For one reason, the science male brother agreement had caused it and they do not own the self ability to be honest.
 

Tiberius

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Your machine is taken from the body God mass not from the cosmos.

Yet your so called string theory is about cosmic beginnings by your say so. When the cosmos also owns no beginning. Everything you discuss is present.

Humans tried to claim that they invented everything including life.

A male as an adult and a Father has sex to produce his life. His owned age only as old as he says he is. Science does not include self presence, reason sex in life.

Science also says, quote.....everything/body I study, which is self present, self owned, self owner.

Says I can prove. Did cloning. Yet all bodies are parents that owned the cells that owned either sperm or ovary. So you never proved anything other than yes, babies came from their owned adult parent bodies.

Science origins, to thesis to invent for a machine designed, built and then design reaction....2 variances to a design.

Also discuss big bang. Ask the scientist, are you copying the big bang. No is his reply. Then why theory about it?

Again, I can't figure out what you're trying to say.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Again, I can't figure out what you're trying to say.
You pretend, meaning think information first.

Your machine is not any of the conditions you are pretending about....claiming I know.

So if you said okay Mr know it all, science inventor, I invented science, all status, as a thinker, a human and male. Without any form of Earth support place your thinker self male and human in the space body and discuss laws.

He would claim impossible. For it is, that actual answer.

Then ask the same scientist, your pretence, claiming your machine owns the history cosmos......is where?

The reaction he says, for it does not yet exist. My design, which I placated was a new world Earth mass body....for I changed the greater God mineral mass, highest life support. No minerals humans would die.

Mind notified conscious awareness, natural exists first, as self notification.

Wrong choice, science.

So gets a fake God machine from God stone mass, only after he used water/gas support again. To own all strings design includes his machine.

For thinking does not in any status own anything else, except self bio presence. Why you came to think you are man God. Falsely.

Our holy spiritual healer medical biological scientist knew that status about you.

He did not invent science as the Jesus status he had to prove you wrong.

Cannot tell science it is wrong unless you use science references.

Science says I am right for machine status only, when it functions as he theories.

Then he says, proven correct.

What he copies is a reaction. Not a creation and nor is it an invention.

Design, his invention.

Invention in the past, first science blew up. Status God the Earth stone owned the mass you took to build the machine. So your machine design is splattered all over the Earth. The actual machine metal parts found deep inside of an opened up, plates dropped out Earth.

Archaeologist says, I will prove you occult scientist wrong. And he did.

Then he also quotes...seems like a balanced design exists in a studied Nature...so it had to have come from a place of balances. Big bang blasting was never any balance, it was an act destruction conversion.

Reason a human quoted Satan fell into the deep pit.

Sink holes opened on Earth. God O mass burning in the past in hell was a self consuming body. That was satan held by God stone in Hell...with spatial first law Mother holding it.

You removed it. Satan got out, but fell into itself....at the bottom of sink holes disintegration left overs.

The same was said for O God once mass in the Universe.

Spatial God mass O held the creation of stone. Any dust or stone mass with gas in space is a destroyed O God body into the fall of Satan, as the vacuum by human science overheating Earth mass and also heavens reactivated the vacuum.

So it began to pull upon created natural form held highest state mass and form O as God in spatial history...first law.

Stone only exists due to first law, spatial vacuum sucking cooling of the mass.

Space owning that holding as first law, owned presence stone. Science took stone away from God and the Universe...a factual historic Satanic science event.

Why you were told you were a Satanist as a scientific God converter.
 

Tiberius

Well-Known Member
You pretend, meaning think information first.

Your machine is not any of the conditions you are pretending about....claiming I know.

So if you said okay Mr know it all, science inventor, I invented science, all status, as a thinker, a human and male. Without any form of Earth support place your thinker self male and human in the space body and discuss laws.

He would claim impossible. For it is, that actual answer.

Then ask the same scientist, your pretence, claiming your machine owns the history cosmos......is where?

The reaction he says, for it does not yet exist. My design, which I placated was a new world Earth mass body....for I changed the greater God mineral mass, highest life support. No minerals humans would die.

Mind notified conscious awareness, natural exists first, as self notification.

Wrong choice, science.

So gets a fake God machine from God stone mass, only after he used water/gas support again. To own all strings design includes his machine.

For thinking does not in any status own anything else, except self bio presence. Why you came to think you are man God. Falsely.

Our holy spiritual healer medical biological scientist knew that status about you.

He did not invent science as the Jesus status he had to prove you wrong.

Cannot tell science it is wrong unless you use science references.

Science says I am right for machine status only, when it functions as he theories.

Then he says, proven correct.

What he copies is a reaction. Not a creation and nor is it an invention.

Design, his invention.

Invention in the past, first science blew up. Status God the Earth stone owned the mass you took to build the machine. So your machine design is splattered all over the Earth. The actual machine metal parts found deep inside of an opened up, plates dropped out Earth.

Archaeologist says, I will prove you occult scientist wrong. And he did.

Then he also quotes...seems like a balanced design exists in a studied Nature...so it had to have come from a place of balances. Big bang blasting was never any balance, it was an act destruction conversion.

Reason a human quoted Satan fell into the deep pit.

Sink holes opened on Earth. God O mass burning in the past in hell was a self consuming body. That was satan held by God stone in Hell...with spatial first law Mother holding it.

You removed it. Satan got out, but fell into itself....at the bottom of sink holes disintegration left overs.

The same was said for O God once mass in the Universe.

Spatial God mass O held the creation of stone. Any dust or stone mass with gas in space is a destroyed O God body into the fall of Satan, as the vacuum by human science overheating Earth mass and also heavens reactivated the vacuum.

So it began to pull upon created natural form held highest state mass and form O as God in spatial history...first law.

Stone only exists due to first law, spatial vacuum sucking cooling of the mass.

Space owning that holding as first law, owned presence stone. Science took stone away from God and the Universe...a factual historic Satanic science event.

Why you were told you were a Satanist as a scientific God converter.

Before you reply, please try to find another way to phrase your ideas. I've never seen a single post of yours that was remotely comprehensible.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Before you reply, please try to find another way to phrase your ideas. I've never seen a single post of yours that was remotely comprehensible.

When I see certain names as the authors of posts, I just completely skip over them. I'll not name names.
 
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