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Didn't you just get through telling me it's a waste of time trying to educate them?
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A simple case for intelligent design
- Thread starter leroy
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Didn't you just get through telling me it's a waste of time trying to educate them?
We Never Know
No Slack
I read your posts 1673, 1678, 1679, and 1694 as it's a waste on time to try to educate them.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
It depends. If you go into it with the sole intent of changing their minds, then honestly, yes I see that as a waste of time. In the 20 years I've been doing this, I've literally seen one case where that's happened, and even that wasn't a full mind-change (he went from a young-earth creationist to an ID creationist).
OTOH, if you do it to help yourself learn more about subjects you wouldn't otherwise study, then it most certainly isn't a waste of time.
No. The lottery was an example of a win in under conditions with low probability compared to the probability that a specific person winning. Creationists make claims that a specific enzyme would not form naturally because the probability is so low it is near zero and conclude that they had to originate fully formed. However, the probability of a mutation that results in a protein with any kind of activity is not nearly so high. From there, any selection could gradually improve it.
When people ignore what you post and repeat the same claims over and over, what do you think the conclusion about them should be?
You keep repeating claims about how the science side of the debate is behaving towards creationists. Most of the people in support of science are not behaving as you are implying.
If you want a touchie feelie thread, where no one speaks their mind and has to ignore blatant, willful ignorance, then you can start one.
The way I look at it, anyone knowledgeable has a duty to dispel ignorance, even if that effort has no impact on the specific person spouting the ignorance.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You are conflating creationism and Christianity.
We Never Know
No Slack
The poster I was discussing with and I already agreed any sort of probability calculations for abiogenesis are pointless.
10 million years ago with a certain mutation or 3.8 billion years ago you with certain enzymes forming, you cannot figure a probability compared with a lottery, if you can figure one st all.
If it's all about odds and probabilities and could happens then everything gets them.
Example what were the odds of Earth being formed and able to support life billions of years ago?
My guess is better odds of chemicals mixing and evolving in the right conditions thus producing life. But they both happened.
You cannot use a designed lottery that is designed to eventually have a winner as a odds/probability argument for God, creation, mutations, abiogenesis, the universe forming, etc.
If you like touchy feely threads, then go for it. Not interested.
We Never Know
No Slack
Yeah you have to give up. No one makes it out of first grade.
I do not know what this means.
You have totally missed the point of the discussion. It was used to emphasize that probability calculations that creationist use are useless. You have totally missed that point and arrived at the correct conclusion at the same time. I guess you must have felt some appeal in trying to show up others that were saying the same thing you now are saying, but it all seems rather useless. It is your time.
We Never Know
No Slack
Maybe you missed the point. You already admitted you got lost a few times.
My point was clear and ended up clear between the other poster and myself.
You might try going back and rereading each time you got lost.
We Never Know
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You're lost again.
Have not admitted getting lost. You're point was obtuse. You had to include information in your explanations that you should have included with your initial statements.
The only point of your post here is to insult. You no longer have anything interesting or useful to contribute.
No. I have not been lost the entire time. Is there some reason you feel you have to continue responding with insults to every post now? I assume that I struck a nerve, considering the response I am getting. That happens when I am correct. It is small compensation, but I understand if you feel you need it.
Carry on.
We Never Know
No Slack
Yes carry you on. We will just ignore the fact in your posts 1680, 1683, and 1686 you said and implied that you lost point, were confused, were lost about the conversation.
Insults? Point them out. Maybe you need to go back to those touchy feely threads you spoke of.
We Never Know
No Slack
I haven't insulted you or even disrespected you. If you think I have point them out. Do you think because I'm new here I should bow down to you because you're a premium member and paid your dues? Fat chance.
Tell you want sport. Bring the staff in on it and let them review the post and decide.
Better yet I'm asking the staff to get involved because of your false accusations you are making about me are breaking the rules set for this forum.
I never lost point. You have gone off the rails. What does any of this have to do with the OP or any discussion of science, statistics or probability?
If you are having difficulty keeping your emotions out of this, perhaps you should step away a bit.
You are getting pretty touchie. Maybe you should relax sport.