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A simple question for creationists.

painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Call_of_the_Wild said:
So, if they are living fine now based on their genetic makeup and their surroundings, why did the evolution take place?? Apes always had hair, there was always thick forest around, so what was the purpose of evovling? And i thought natural selection was about gaining, not losing. The above quote is a hypothesis based on your scientific religion. Face it, you have a religion that you are accepting by faith.
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Do I really have to explain "intro to evolution" level stuff? :sad:

Try this... I don't really have time to type it all out in this forum for you.
An introduction to evolution

wa:do
 
Horcrux_6

Horcrux_6

Winchester
So the anti-idiot rules stopped me posting a direct link; good stuff. If anyone can be bothered, hit YouTube and search for "Dr. Laurence Brown destroys evolution".

It pretty much sums up how I feel about the situation, nicely condensing my two-pence, which without doubt would have ended up in the three-hundred region, considering said topic.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Pegg said:
evolution occurs,


Cats have evolved, no doubt about it
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what nature shows is that when animals become isolated, they develop very original features...but they are still from the same phyla...they dont produce a biologically different phyla. And what proves that they are the same phyla is that they can produce hybrids.....
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Should we expect the standard species of cats to be able to mate with lions, tigers etc.? Phyla means very, very little here. This is where "kinds" break down because Both the cats and lions are from the same Kingdom. Phylum, Class, Order and Family but they are separate "species" (F. Catus and P. Leo).


Pegg said:
Dogs have evolved from this:

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what nature shows is that when animals become isolated, they develop very original features...but they are still from the same phyla...they dont produce a biologically different phyla. And what proves that they are the same phyla is that they can produce hybrids...so you can breed a lion with a tiger, or a wolf with a domestic dog...they can breed because they are the same phyla. And that is where, in my opinion, evolutionists have it wrong...evolution doesnt produce new phyla.
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Evolution answers this quite nicely. Big Cats and Dogs (Wolf) are from the same Kingdom, Phylum, Class and Order. The trip side to this is so is the Bear. Take for instance the American Black Bear. Bears are from the suborder (Caniformia), basically meaning they are "dog-like". Basically the further back you go the closer and closer Big Cats, domesticated cats, dogs and bears are related.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Call_of_the_Wild said:
Facts? I haven't seen one fact yet. If we evovled from ape to human, why are there still apes around?? Makes no sense.
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We didn't evolve from apes rather we, the human primate and the non-human primate, share a common ancestor. Before you get your fruit of the looms in a bunch...try at least disproving the genetic evidence that supports our ancestry or even the morphological evidence that supports that we're related......;)
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Horcrux_6 said:
So the anti-idiot rules stopped me posting a direct link; good stuff. If anyone can be bothered, hit YouTube and search for "Dr. Laurence Brown destroys evolution".

It pretty much sums up how I feel about the situation, nicely condensing my two-pence, which without doubt would have ended up in the three-hundred region, considering said topic.
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Do we really need to spend our precious energies dealing with his logical fallacies and straw-man arguments? His premis is that because there is no explanation for _______ then insert "God" on the line. Evolution deals with the diversification of life on the planet. It does not deal with the origin of life. He pretty much agrees with the definition that (Evolution is about diversification) here....

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Muslim Destroys Atheism (Logical Proof for God) - in few seconds - YouTube
He says it at 4:58 into the video.....


Do you have anything else worth debating?
 
shawn001

shawn001

Well-Known Member
Just for the moment here to add a couple more.

Dino death pit.

Nearly 100 million years before giant dinos like Tyrannosaurus rex ruled the world, a volcano rumbled in an ancient, marshy land. Fiery lava belched out of the crater, and ash snowed down on what is now part of the Gobi desert in China.

"Among other fossils, they uncovered a bizarre toothless meat-eater called a ceratosaur; an ancestor of the horned dinosaurs—such as Triceratops—named Yinlong; as well as ancient turtles, mammals, and crocodiles.

But the most incredible discovery of all is a new two-legged predator with a Mohawk-like crest on its head. Named Guanlong, Chinese for "crested dragon," it weighed just 165 pounds (74.8 kilograms). But parts of the animal's skull and a telltale ridge in its hip bone look strikingly similar to gigantic tyrannosaurs that lived about 100 million years later—including the 15,000-pound (6803.8-kilogram) Tyrannosaurus rex."


Dino Death Pit -- National Geographic Kids

The first flower.

Flowers Modern & Ancient

Archaefructus liaoningensis would never have made the cover of Better Homes & Gardens. But this 125 million-year-old plant, discovered in fossil beds in northeastern China, did grace the cover of Science. It’s heralded as the earliest known angiosperm, or flowering plant. Here, explore what makes Archaefructus a flowering plant and how it compares to blooming beauties of today.

NARRATOR: The origin of flowers is one of botany's most enduring mysteries. Darwin called the mystery "abominable." Now two teams of scientists have set out across China to solve that mystery.

But where did flowers themselves come from?
Professor Sun Ge, from China's Jilin University, is certain that early flowers evolved here, in northern China, and he is determined to find the world's first.
Not far from the border of Inner Mongolia, there is a remarkable fossil site that is revealing what the Earth looked like more than 100,000,000 years ago.

NOVA | First Flower | PBS
 
painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Dirty Penguin said:
We didn't evolve from apes rather we, the human primate and the non-human primate, share a common ancestor. Before you get your fruit of the looms in a bunch...try at least disproving the genetic evidence that supports our ancestry or even the morphological evidence that supports that we're related......;)
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Yes we did evolve from apes...we are apes. We didn't evolve from any of the modern apes, we share ancestors with them. :facepalm:

wa:do
 
shawn001

shawn001

Well-Known Member
Pegg, I didn't know the watchtower did scientific research?

Carl Sagan when he was alive created the coosmic calendar.

The Universe in One Year was inspired by the late astronomer, Carl Sagan (1934-1996). Sagan was the first person to explain the history of the universe in one year-as a "Cosmic Calendar"-in his television series, Cosmos.



Let us look at the calendar in a bit more detail:

Cosmic Calendar



But if you could tell me how all the different forms of life we see today came after the Permian extintion.

The Permian Mass Extinction


- Permian Period (286-248 million years ago)

- Terrestrial faunal diversification occurred in the Permian

- 90-95% of marine species became extinct in the Permian



There have been five mass extinction events throughout Earth's history:
  1. The first great mass extinction event took place at the end of the Ordovician, when according to the fossil record, 60% of all genera of both terrestrial and marine life worldwide were exterminated.
  2. 360 million years ago in the Late Devonian period, the environment that had clearly nurtured reefs for at least 13 million years turned hostile and the world plunged into the second mass extinction event.
  3. The fossil record of the end Permian mass extinction reveals a staggering loss of life: perhaps 80–95% of all marine species went extinct. Reefs didn't reappear for about 10 million years, the greatest hiatus in reef building in all of Earth history.
  4. The end Triassic mass extinction is estimated to have claimed about half of all marine invertebrates. Around 80% of all land quadrupeds also went extinct.
  5. The end Cretaceous mass extinction 65 million years ago is famously associated with the demise of the dinosaurs. Virtually no large land animals survived. Plants were also greatly affected while tropical marine life was decimated. Global temperature was 6 to 14°C warmer than present with sea levels over 300 metres higher than current levels. At this time, the oceans flooded up to 40% of the continents.
also there are no humans of course anywhere near the KT Boundry, no mammals bigger then a bread box survived that event.

Was there a huge goup of animals that lived before the dinosaurs evolved?

Did dinosaurs live with humans?
 
shawn001

shawn001

Well-Known Member
do you have blue eyes Pegg?

One Common Ancestor Behind Blue Eyes


People with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor, according to new research.
A team of scientists has tracked down a genetic mutation that leads to blue eyes. The mutation occurred between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago. Before then, there were no blue eyes.
"Originally, we all had brown eyes," said Hans Eiberg from the Department of Cellular and Molecular Medicine at the University of Copenhagen.
The mutation affected the so-called OCA2 gene, which is involved in the production of melanin, the pigment that gives color to our hair, eyes and skin.



"A genetic mutation affecting the OCA2 gene in our chromosomes resulted in the creation of a 'switch,' which literally 'turned off' the ability to produce brown eyes," Eiberg said.
The genetic switch is located in the gene adjacent to OCA2 and rather than completely turning off the gene, the switch limits its action, which reduces the production of melanin in the iris. In effect, the turned-down switch diluted brown eyes to blue.
If the OCA2 gene had been completely shut down, our hair, eyes and skin would be melanin-less, a condition known as albinism.

One Common Ancestor Behind Blue Eyes | LiveScience
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
painted wolf said:
Yes we did evolve from apes...we are apes. We didn't evolve from any of the modern apes, we share ancestors with them. :facepalm:

wa:do
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Thanks for the clarification (modern apes). I was just trying to point out how the age old..."well if we evolved from apes then why are there still apes?" question make very little since....
 
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