A simple question for creationists.

[Call_of_the_Wild]

So 200 years of testing, observation and peer review in all the sciences that explains the physical evidence, is not a scientific theory?

You need to learn again the difference between a scientific theory is and a hypothesis. Or that facts lead to a scientific theory, not the other way around.

Again billions of facts support evolution!!!

Gotta love Shawn Shawn, show me any example, any evidence, any proof of an animal producing something other than its own kind. By that i mean an dog producing a non dog, etc. Please, if you can do this, i will believe in evolution, gladly.

 

[painted wolf]

Can you define "dog kind".... please, if you can do this, I will consider creationism, gladly.

wa:do

 

[shawn001]

Gotta love Shawn Shawn, show me any example, any evidence, any proof of an animal producing something other than its own kind. By that i mean an dog producing a non dog, etc. Please, if you can do this, i will believe in evolution, gladly.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Gotta love Shawn Shawn, show me any example, any evidence, any proof of an animal producing something other than its own kind. By that i mean an dog producing a non dog, etc. Please, if you can do this, i will believe in evolution, gladly.

This is like saying show me proof of an elephant that flies and I will believe in macroeconomics.

Go back, and try to make some kind of rational sense.

 

[shawn001]

Call of the wild

Now tell me what is the genus Miacis?

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Can you define "dog kind".... please, if you can do this, I will consider creationism, gladly.

Is a dog different from a cat?? Beyond the "they are both mammals" crap, is a dog different from a cat? If the answer is yes, then thats what i mean by different kind, if the answer is no, the my question is if they are the same why are they called different names.

 

[painted wolf]

I'm still waiting for an answer on this... I mean if spotting kinds is so very obvious.

Can you define what a "cat" is?

Is this a cat for example?

or this?

or this?

How do you expect anyone to give you evidence of something reproducing outside it's "kind" if you keep refusing to define what a "kind" is.

wa:do

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Call of the wild

Now tell me what is the genus Miacis?

Dont know

 

[painted wolf]

Dont know

Then how can you be so certain you are right? You speak of absolute knowledge of what kinds are and how immutable they are.

wa:do

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

I'm still waiting for an answer on this... I mean if spotting kinds is so very obvious.

I dont know what any of those animals are. You tell me.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

:yes:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2773548-post385.html
"We know these species are separate yet they, like all life on this planet, are genetically related." DP

 

[painted wolf]

I dont know what any of those animals are. You tell me.

So "cat kind" isn't really so obvious that even a child can tell what is a cat then.

The problem is just about everyone who isn't a biologist has a stereotypical template in their heads of what dogs, cats and other animals look like. This stereotype isn't accurate when you look at the reality in nature.

This is why "kinds" don't work, they are totally subjective and vary from one person promoting them to another.

How can I answer your question on things "reproducing outside their kind" if you can't tell me what a kind is? It's an impossible guessing game. If you don't know what a cat is, how can I figure out where it crosses the line into being a "non-cat"?

wa:do

 

[shawn001]

This only goes back to 650 million years, the earth is 4.57 billion years old, which coincides with the formation of the solar system at around 5 billion years old. The sun is 5 billion years old and will last to around 10 billion, then go red giant.

Plate tectonics has proven that land masses are plates and move and join together every 400 million years.

The animals living at the time of Pangea are not the animals alive today, but ancestors that evolved from previous ones.


Most people know that Earth is moving around the Sun and that it is constantly spinning. But did you know that the continents and oceans are moving across the surface of the planet? Volcanoes and earthquakes as well as mountain ranges and islands all are results of this movement.

Less than 100 years ago, many scientists thought the continents always had been the same shape and in the same place. A few scientists noted that the eastern coastline of South America and the western coastline of Africa looked as if they could fit together. Some also noted that, with a little imagination, all the continents could be joined together like giant puzzle pieces to create one large continent surrounded by one huge ocean.

It was known that lands now far apart and with very different climates contained the same kinds of fossil plants and animals. For example, certain dinosaur fossils have been found across central South America and western central Africa, and nowhere else. Identical fossil plants have been found in southern South America, southern Africa, India, Antarctica, and Australia. Evidence of an ancient glacier that was once one large ice cap can be found in South America, Africa, India, and Australia. These areas would join if the present continents were moved so that they fitted together into one whole. But no one could explain how or why this movement might happen.



If you look at the top chart to the time of the permian time period there was a mass extintion. Called the permian extintion.

Permian Extinction: When the End of Life Was Near

By Jennifer Viegas

The Permian period, which lasted from 290 to 248 million years ago, ended with the world’s most devastating extinction event of all time. Over 90 percent of Earth’s species, including insects, plants, marine animals, amphibians and reptiles, were destroyed worldwide. The Permian is therefore remembered as the time when life came the closest ever to being wiped off the face of the planet.


Permian Extinction : The End of Life : Discovery Channel

The extintion event was caused by the largest know volcanic event on earth the siberian traps in siberia.

SIBERIAN TRAPS

The gigantic lava flow in Siberia lasted upward of a million years and flooded an area about the size of the lower 48 United States with layer upon layer of dark basalt lava — thousands of feet thick.


Some geologists suspect the eruption was caused by an extra-large plume of hot material welling up from the edge of the Earth's core. But what makes it especially important is that the Siberian Traps is the prime suspect in wiping out 90 percent of all living species 251 million years ago — the most severe extinction event in Earth's history.


Discovery Channel :: Supervolcano


That opened the door for dinosaurs to evolve. They ruled rfor 180 million years and then there was another mass extintion event, although not as big as the permian, caused by a meteorite that hit off of mexico.

" dinosaur-killing Cretaceous-Tertiary mass extinction (aka the K-T extinction) 65 million years ago,

Geological evidence shows that a giant meteorite about six miles wide smashed into the Yucatan Peninsula close to the current Mexican town of Chicxulub 65 million years ago.

Nothing bigger then a bread box survived it. It was a global event, with gobal effects.

This is none as the K-T extintion event. It left a geologic line around the earth called the KT boundry.

The demise of the dinosaurs after this event, known as the K-T extinction, later brought about a restructuring of the animal world and the rise of mammals.

It took million of years for humans to evolve after that to where we are today.

Human evolution refers to the evolutionary history of the genus Homo, including the emergence of Homo sapiens as a distinct species and as a unique category of hominids ("great apes") and mammals. The study of human evolution uses many scientific disciplines, including physical anthropology, primatology, archaeology, linguistics and genetics.[1]

The evidence for human evolution is overwhelming.

This includes thousands of fossils, which show the progressive straightening of the spine, the increase in brain volume, and change in facial features. Humans inherited their tail bone, a remnant of what was once a human tail, from primate ancestors. All animals have a tail at one point in their development; in humans, it is present for a period of 4 weeks, during stages 14 to 22 of human embryogenesis.

Evolution of the great apes
Evolutionary history of the primates can be traced back 65 million years, [19] The oldest known primate-like mammal species, [20] the Plesiadapis, came from North America, but they were widespread in Eurasia and Africa during the tropical conditions of the Paleocene and Eocene.

 

[shawn001]

Genus Homo

Homo sapiens is the only extant species of its genus, Homo.


H. habilis and H. gautengensis
H. rudolfensis and H. georgicus
H. ergaster and H. erectus
H. cepranensis and H. antecessor
H. cepranensis and H. antecessor
H. rhodesiensis, and the Gawis cranium
Neanderthal and Denisova hominin
H. floresiensis

H. sapiens
H. sapiens (the adjective sapiens is Latin for "wise" or "intelligent") have lived from about 250,000 years ago to the present. Between 400,000 years ago and the second interglacial period in the Middle Pleistocene, around 250,000 years ago, the trend in skull expansion and the elaboration of stone tool technologies developed, providing evidence for a transition from H. erectus to H. sapiens. The direct evidence suggests there was a migration of H. erectus out of Africa, then a further speciation of H. sapiens from H. erectus in Africa. A subsequent migration within and out of Africa eventually replaced the earlier dispersed H. erectus. This migration and origin theory is usually referred to as the recent single origin or Out of Africa theory.



However, the 2010 sequencing of the Neanderthal genome indicated that Neanderthals did indeed interbreed with anatomically modern humans circa 45,000 to 80,000 years ago (at the approximate time that modern humans migrated out from Africa, but before they dispersed into Europe, Asia and elsewhere).[49] Nearly all modern non-African humans have 1% to 4% of their DNA derived from Neanderthal DNA,[

Human evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



New Research Confirms 'Out Of Africa' Theory Of Human Evolution

New Research Confirms 'Out Of Africa' Theory Of Human Evolution

 

[McBell]

Gotta love Shawn Shawn, show me any example, any evidence, any proof of an animal producing something other than its own kind. By that i mean an dog producing a non dog, etc. Please, if you can do this, i will believe in evolution, gladly.

I see you are still hiding behind the word Kind.

Are you ever going to define your hiding place?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Genus Homo

Homo sapiens is the only extant species of its genus, Homo.


H. habilis and H. gautengensis
H. rudolfensis and H. georgicus
H. ergaster and H. erectus
H. cepranensis and H. antecessor
H. cepranensis and H. antecessor
H. rhodesiensis, and the Gawis cranium
Neanderthal and Denisova hominin
H. floresiensis



New Research Confirms 'Out Of Africa' Theory Of Human Evolution

New Research Confirms 'Out Of Africa' Theory Of Human Evolution

:yes:


[youtube]sZ2WoHFc7eE[/youtube]
Human evolution and missing links (Meet the family) - YouTube

 

[shawn001]

Dont know

The ancestor to ALL CARNIVORES, including dogs and cats. So how do you know where dogs or cats came from if you don't know the genus Miacis that they evolved from?

Why do you not responce to my questions and expect a responce to yours and then just deny all the evidence everyone shows you?

I showed you macroevolution on a 4.57 billion year time scale.

So let me ask you a question and hopefully you will honestly answer it.

What chemical element is life made out of including us and where did it come from?

 

[shawn001]

Call of the wild

More proof for you we evolved.

Mitochondrial Eve

"One of the misconceptions of mitochondrial Eve is that since all women alive today descended in a direct unbroken female line from her that she was the only woman alive at the time.[10][11] Nuclear DNA studies indicate that the size of the ancient human population never dropped below tens of thousands. Other women alive at Eve's time have descendants alive today, but sometime in the past, each of their lines of descent included at least one male, thereby breaking the mitochondrial DNA lines of descent. By contrast, Eve's lines of descent to each person alive today includes precisely one purely matrilineal line.[10]


Not a contemporary of "Adam"
Sometimes mitochondrial Eve is assumed to have lived at the same time as Y-chromosomal Adam, perhaps even meeting and mating with him. Like mitochondrial "Eve", Y-chromosomal "Adam" probably lived in Africa; however, this "Eve" lived much earlier than this "Adam" – perhaps some 50,000 to 80,000 years earlier.[12]

Mitochondrial Eve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

The ancestor to ALL CARNIVORES, including dogs and cats. So how do you know where dogs or cats came from if you don't know the genus that they evolved from?

Based on what? You find the fossil of an animal that died, and since its bone structure may be similar or it is similiar in size, you interpret that to mean that one evolved in to the other. That is a giant leap of faith. Where is the evidence supporting it??? Its a two step process towards your religion, first you find the fossil, and then you use your presupposed notions that already favors the evolutionary theory, and based on that you tie it in to the religion. Thats all evolution is.

Why do you not responce to my questions and expect a responce to yours and then just deny all the evidence everyone shows you?

I try my best to respond to every comment or question directed towards me. And i dont deny all evidence. There is good evidence and bad evidence. So far, no evidence that has been presented has been convincing to me. Speaking of questions, my original question invovling the whole reproductions concept has yet to be answered.

I showed you macroevolution on a 4.57 billion year time scale.

Really?? Where?? Show me evidence of macroevolution. I garantee whatever you will show me will be microevolution instead of macro. I bet it will.

What chemical element is life made out of including us and where did it come from?

I dont understand the question. All i know is, we are made up of matter.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

The evidence for human evolution is overwhelming.

This includes thousands of fossils, which show the progressive straightening of the spine, the increase in brain volume, and change in facial features.

Humans inherited their tail bone, a remnant of what was once a human tail, from primate ancestors. All animals have a tail at one point in their development; in humans, it is present for a period of 4 weeks, during stages 14 to 22 of human embryogenesis.

Evolution of the great apes
Evolutionary history of the primates can be traced back 65 million years, [19] The oldest known primate-like mammal species, [20] the Plesiadapis, came from North America, but they were widespread in Eurasia and Africa during the tropical conditions of the Paleocene and Eocene.

How is this evidence?? All i see is someone with a preconceived notion telling me what he thinks happened. There is no evidence. But i do want to touch on what is mentioned above. I dont believe it one bit, and even if i did, this is still an example of microevolution. Changes within the kind. On your view, humans are apes. We have share a common ancestor with apes. and that is all what the article above is stating. But it DOESN'T state that we evovled in to a non-ape. So this isn't even an example of macroevolution.