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A simple question for creationists.
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EarthAlive
Member
I am not denying that this happens, but it is not becuase of "natural selection" it is partly becuase of internal factors.
EarthAlive
Member
You would have to back that up with some kind of evidence.
outhouse
Atheistically
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Then present your evidence because my information says this is exactly why some animals and insects are capable of camouflage. Consider certain praying mantis. Many of them look like leaves...(literally)
This is an aspect of "Natural Selection". Casually google (praying matis looks like leaf) and you'll discover that this is common amongst them. If it is amongst other leaves on a tree how often do you think it will get eaten?
Check this out...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/1/l_011_03.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/1/quicktime/l_011_03.html
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Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Please try to get just this one fact straight. There is no concept of "missing link" in the science of biology. The term itself existed before Darwin published his theory, and the popular press has associated it with evolution theory. It is a bogus concept and a bogus issue.if there is no missing link then evolution has changed, evolved...
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Missing link is a buzzword without any real meaning.
wa:do
wa:do
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Awesome because biogenesis still relies on evolution but not vice versa. Both of the concepts you keep presenting can not work without evolution.
NeedingGnosisNow
super-human
This is a really simple and probably obvious question to ask creationists (or anybody who doesn't think evolution is correct), but one to which I can not ever recollect obtaining an answer to.
My question is simply, how do you explain fossils?
It may sound like a daft question to ask, but it honestly does baffle me.
Please give your honest opinions
Since creation makes no sense to me i kind of like the idea of Intelligent Design. Put simply its the theory that God tinkered with evolution to get the desired effect. It just seems that all this (creation) couldn't have happened without some sort of Higher Power. Everything had to be set up just right to make it all happen. I know what your thinking though "If you put an infinite number of monkeys in a room with an infinite amount of typewriters one will eventually write Hamlet." That may be true but how long would that take? We ,and our planet, are so unique that it all had to have had a guiding hand. Even most evolutionist agree!
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Well, if you work like evolution, where useful things are retained and detrimental things are discarded... it probably wouldn't take that long.
Weasel program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
wa:do
ps... you seem to be confusing ID with theistic evolution. Most theistic biologists do not support ID, but do support theistic evolution.
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Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
It's just creationism in disguise. But you should know that the hypothesis of ID does not rule out aliens, gods or the Abrahamic God. It's an untestable hypothesis...hardly any reason to consider it science or even and alternative "theory".....Additionally it doesn't affect The Theory Of Evolution as it (ID as well as Creationism) are about Abiogenesis.
johnhanks
Well-Known Member
Amazing how you can cram so much confusion into eleven simple words.if there is no missing link then evolution has changed, evolved...
Firstly, as others have explained, there is no single 'missing link' between humans and ape-like ancestors. Creationists seem to cling to a picture of evolution as a linear progression from one species to the next; it is instead a constant branching process as reproductively isolated populations diverge genetically, some of them eventually becoming so distinct as to be new species. The fossil record of this process vis-a-vis hominid evolution is impressive, and growing year by year.
Secondly, you seem to imply that if ideas about evolution have changed over time, this is somehow a weakness in the theory. The opposite is true: adapting ideas as new evidence is found is one of science's defining features.
waitasec
Veteran Member
then your god is not a loving god...
purposefully subjecting living beings as experiments
NeedingGnosisNow
super-human
My God didn't create anything. My God is an unknowable God and i won't assign human traits like love, anger, sadness,etc to God. I believe the Demiurge, which is a lesser god, created everything out of ignorance. And we must seek knowledge to free ourselves from ignorance. Thats why this system of free-will is so messed up. Give a human the chance and he will inevitably screw up. In my 36 years i've never met a truly pure Christian. One that really personifies the works Jesus sought to teach. If i ever do i will follow them to the end and try to learn everything I can from them. All i was saying is that the theory of Intelligent Design makes more sense to me than Creation or Evolution.
Alceste
Vagabond
The universe is unfathomably vast. In fact, it may be infinite. Even if our universe has a finite boundary, there may be others outside its perimeter that we can not directly observe. Therefore, there may be an infinite number of planets on which life could manifest and evolve. Statistically speaking, in an infinite universe, it is inevitable that anything not expressly prohibited by the fundamental laws of physics and chemistry will occur - not just once, but over and over again. It is not required that anybody "set anything up" just right. If you went bowling blindfolded and you had all of eternity to smack down those pins, it is certain you would get an infinite number of strikes, mathematically speaking.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i still do not follow your line of thinking.
an intelligent designer would be contrasting all those things i highlighted
an intelligent designer would have intention.
Flat Earth Kyle
Well-Known Member
I see what you are saying, how is an intelligent designer ignorant?
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Carl Saga (in part) - (from his book Cosmos)
"should not a supremely competent Designer have been able to make the intended variety from the start? The fossil record implies trial and error, an inability to anticipate the future, features inconsistent with an efficient Great Designer"
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waitasec
Veteran Member
i'm saying that the implication of an intelligent designer would
knowingly and deliberately subjecting life to an experiment...