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A Socialist Party on RF?

If RF had a socialist Party, would you consider joining it?

  • Yes- I would consider joining

    Votes: 4 19.0%
  • Maybe- it depends

    Votes: 4 19.0%
  • No- I would not consider joining

    Votes: 4 19.0%
  • We don't need or should not have political parties on RF

    Votes: 6 28.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 14.3%

  • Total voters
    21

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Based on past experiences I think this is a long shot and won't go beyond the drawing board, but given how extreme the current situation is offline, I'm willing to gauge interest.

Obviously any such "party", if it were allowed to exist, would operate within RF rules. (For the sake of argument, assume that no member of staff could be a member to avoid any conflict of interest).

I honestly don't know what reactions to expect, so feel free to comment and share your thoughts. Any ideas on what you'd hope or expect from such a group are very welcome.
 

danieldemol

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I like the idea, but I think I wouldn’t need to join an online socialist party because I already support the Labour Party in Australia.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
No need for a political party in RF. This forum should remain mostly only for religious/spiritual activity and discussion in my view
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
What would be the difference from the "Socialist Only" sub forum?

I honestly don’t know. We could have a discord server or something of the like outside of RF. maybe a platform, constitution or leadership elections. It might be a bit of fun or have a more serious objective in mind.

It isn’t obvious how such a group would be organised or what its effect would be. But with all the political tensions online and offline, it seemed worth exploring the idea. :shrug:

Why suggest just the one?

If the principle of organising in to parties gained acceptance and proved to be popular/useful, I expect others would appear as well.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I like the idea, but I think I wouldn’t need to join an online socialist party because I already support the Labour Party in Australia.

Good for you. More people should be in real-life parties and active offline. :)

I'm more for the ethical breakdown of party lines.

Normally, I'd agree and I'd be very happy if things started to cool down ab bit. But if we hold our current trajectory, I think things will get more partisan rather than less within the next year or so.
 

Secret Chief

Vetted Member
I honestly don’t know. We could have a discord server or something of the like outside of RF. maybe a platform, constitution or leadership elections. It might be a bit of fun or have a more serious objective in mind.

It isn’t obvious how such a group would be organised or what its effect would be. But with all the political tensions online and offline, it seemed worth exploring the idea. :shrug:

If the principle of organising in to parties gained acceptance and proved to be popular/useful, I expect others would appear as well.

OK thanks for that. I think what's already available here is sufficient for me then, especially given I am already a member of such a party ITRW.
 

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
I'm always down to party!
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John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
I like the idea, but I think I wouldn’t need to join an online socialist party because I already support the Labour Party in Australia.

It's amazing how many people misspell Labor Party. I did for many years and was suprised by the lack of a u.
 

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
Premium Member
@Laika

Inveterate leftist anti-capitalist that I am, I'd at least be open to the idea. Obviously as a member of staff I'd be excluded (based on the conflict of interest issue you note) but I wouldn't be opposed in principle.

Socialism covers a vast span, though - from Marxism-leninism to left-libertarianism, Proudhon's mutualism and market socialism.

I'd need some assurances, owing to my religious confession, that the Socialist platform in question eschews the "opiate of the masses" element and collectivism.

In the UK, I vote for the Labour Party and while I disliked Corbyn for his Brexiteerism, I actually sympathised with a number of his other policies.

We need to go further than Keynesianism imho if we hope to revitalize economies after the pandemic shutdowns but not to the extent of repeating the errors of the old Marxist states with their planned economies. I do support re-nationalization of some key industries, however, as Old Labour did.

My own brand of socialism would include the following policies (but is by no means limited to them):

- characterised by workplace democracy and workers' self-management (i.e. having a decisive say in the management of their firm and a share in the profits)

- a graduated wealth tax of 5% on those worth 2 million $ plus and up to 90% on those worth more than 2 billion $

- social ownership of capital and co-management of enterprises (employees get 50% representation within boards of directors)

- temporary ownership (via progressive tax on assets), individual carbon taxes calculated to weigh each person’s contribution to global warming and tax them accordingly

- a public inheritance of circa. £102,000 for every adult coming of age, libertarian municipalism, labour co-operatives

- economic rent redistribution to give everyone a more equitable share of natural resources

- a cap of 10% cent on shareholder voting power, social dividend financed by "Sovereign Wealth Funds” to invest public money in well-functioning enterprises

- universal basic income equivalent to 60% of the average wage or capital endowment for every citizen and

- land value taxation.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
IIt might be a bit of fun or have a more serious objective in mind.
What might be an example of a more serious objective?

If the principle of organising in to parties gained acceptance and proved to be popular/useful, I expect others would appear as well.
That sounds like a pretty good reason to reconsider. Another is that "socialist" movements are notoriously fractious.

Given that there is no dearth of socialist parties in the world today, can you suggest which you would offer as exemplary?
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I'd need some assurances, owing to my religious confession, that the Socialist platform in question eschews the "opiate of the masses" element and collectivism.

I imagine that, given that leftists on RF are almost unanimously tolerant of religion regardless of their personal beliefs, that it wouldn't be an issue. :)

Inveterate leftist anti-capitalist that I am, I'd at least be open to the idea. Obviously as a member of staff I'd be excluded (based on the conflict of interest issue you note) but I wouldn't be opposed in principle.

If say such a party were made up of 20-30 regular and active members of the forum, there would be a clear and overwhelming demand for it. Any group of members that big would necessarily have the influence to claim the right to form a party and organise within the forums. In that circumstance, a party would basically already exist in all but name and it would be inevitable that someone would come up with the idea and try it sooner or later.

But, if it were 10 or less or 5 or less, it begs questions of what and who it is actually for and whether it could maintain a lasting presence or role on the forums. It would also not be worth dealing with the issues that arise from any conflicts between such a group and the Staff over how it operates within the rules.

Given it would be probably a lot of work, I'm just exploring so see whether it's worth pursuing at this point. :)
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Based on past experiences I think this is a long shot and won't go beyond the drawing board, but given how extreme the current situation is offline, I'm willing to gauge interest.

Obviously any such "party", if it were allowed to exist, would operate within RF rules. (For the sake of argument, assume that no member of staff could be a member to avoid any conflict of interest).

I honestly don't know what reactions to expect, so feel free to comment and share your thoughts. Any ideas on what you'd hope or expect from such a group are very welcome.

I'd like to form the Tax Reform And Universal Health Insurance With Universal Basic Income ( T,R.A.U.H.I.W.U.B..I.) party that'd favor implementing tax reform and universal health insurance with universal basic income as follows:

1. Universal health insurance ( U..H.I.) affordably be done with insured cost sharing, ( Universal Medicare with a combined $4,000 Part A and B deductible, a 20 percent Part A and B co-insurance and a 50 percent prescription drug co-insurance ) costing taxpayers ca. $1.9 trillion in the fiscal year 2023.

2. U.H.I being funded in large part with a 10 percent value-added-tax ( 10%V.A.T.) less VAT tax monthly rebates of $165 for each American citizen age 18 or over, this would net approximately 600 billion dollars of revenue in the year 2023; U..H.I. also being funded in part with an increase in the corporate income tax rate from 21 percent to 29 percent resulting in corporations paying U.S. corporate income taxes of ca. $500 billion, the imposition of financial transaction taxes ( remittance taxes and stock/bond trade taxes) generating ca. $200 billion, the implementation of tariffs resulting in ca. $135 billion of revenue in 2023 and federal estate taxes generating an additional ca. $35 billion in revenue., alcohol, cannabis and tobacco excise taxes generating ca. $80 billion of funding for U.H.I, and the remainder of funding for U. H.I. coming from Medicare payroll taxes of ca. $350 billion.

3. Social security being fully funded by a doubling of the cap on social security taxes, so that all workers and employers would contribute 6.2 percent of social security taxes on every dollar of their earnings up to $320,000 of each individual wage earner's income .In 2023, this would mean Americans would pay ca. $1.3 trillion in social security payroll taxes.

4. U.S. military spending along with all other governmental agencies, save for U.H.I. social security the Department of Transportation and Homeland Security,being funded with a simplified income tax system, just a few income tax brackets beginning in year 2026, zero percent on the initial $12,000 of personal individual annual income, 12 percent on $12,001 to $51,000 of personal individual annual income, 32 percent on individual personal annual earnings in excess of $51,000. Capital gains taxed at same rate as ordinary income. No tax credits, save for a refundable $2,000 child tax credit as well as a $4,000 subsistence living allowance tax credit for each adult American citizen. In 2023, this would result in total personal federal income taxes amounting to an estimated $1.2 trillion.

5. The implementation of excise taxes on railways, fuel, airports and aviation collectively adding up to $160 billion, which would fund the Department of Transportation and Homeland Security.

6. Approved federal spending in 2023 at ca. $1.9 trillion for universal health care ( U.H.I. ) $1.3 trillion for Social Security, ( no change from status-quo on S.S. retirement benefits ), ca. 900 billion dollars towards the military and veteran services or veteran benefits, $494 billion on debt interest payments, an estimated $100 billion towards Medicaid, $62 billion spending on the U.S. Department of Agriculture, ( ca. $10 billion ) for the Department of Commerce, ( ca. $13 billion ) for the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, ( ca. $32 billion) for the Department of Energy, ( ca. $9 billion ) for the Environmental Protection Agency, ( $4 billion ). for the Food and Drug Administration, ( ca. $40 billion ) for the Department of Housing and Urban Development, ( ca. $23 billion) for the Department of Interior annual spending, ( ca. $50 billion) for the Department of Homeland Security, (ca. $30 billion) for the Department of Justice, ( ca. $10 billion ) for the Department of Labor, ( ca. $25 billion ) for N.A.S.A., ( ca. $45 billion ) for the State Department, ( ca. $110 billion) for the Department of Transportation, ( ca. $23 billion ) for the Department of Treasury; the above proposed federal spending resulting in total federal annual spending to be ca. $5.18 trillion..

7. The above approved fiscal year 2023 federal spending being ca. $5.18 trillion and ca. $4.56 trillion of tax revenue would result in a federal deficit of ca. $620 billion for FY 2023.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Based on past experiences I think this is a long shot and won't go beyond the drawing board, but given how extreme the current situation is offline, I'm willing to gauge interest.

Obviously any such "party", if it were allowed to exist, would operate within RF rules. (For the sake of argument, assume that no member of staff could be a member to avoid any conflict of interest).

I honestly don't know what reactions to expect, so feel free to comment and share your thoughts. Any ideas on what you'd hope or expect from such a group are very welcome.

I like to party. So yes, count me in.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Based on past experiences I think this is a long shot and won't go beyond the drawing board, but given how extreme the current situation is offline, I'm willing to gauge interest.

Obviously any such "party", if it were allowed to exist, would operate within RF rules. (For the sake of argument, assume that no member of staff could be a member to avoid any conflict of interest).

I honestly don't know what reactions to expect, so feel free to comment and share your thoughts. Any ideas on what you'd hope or expect from such a group are very welcome.
Will there be beer, babes, & pretzels at this theme party?
How would it differ from the Socialist Only forum?
 
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