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A spiritual sign that we can see degeneration in human beings.

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
People have a total freespace within themselves to be whoever they want to be where you are only limited by your imagination. People should just take that space and consider their best possible selves. There is no existential rule that you have to be something oppressive or worse. If people choose monstrous things then that is their hearts delight. But there are excellent things to be, and far more supreme ways to live.

There's nothing there that is full force forcing you to be something awful. People fall for what they fall for. I have seen the wise and selfless of compassion, and the arrogant control freaks, and perhaps worse. Some people feel lack and fall for things, others are more fulfilled.

But a definitive human nature that is the only way life can be sounds to me like a big fat falsehood. There is a whole wide range of the things that people can be. And generation after generation that realm of possibility plays out. For lack of knowledge or lack of truth why do some people become monsters? And the rest of humanity has to take smelling salts and wake up to injustices that happen. For no good reason monsters happen. They do it to themselves and couldn't care less.

But on the justice side of life there is the beauty of life. And all that is precious that is worth dying for. And whether you live forever or only a short time doesn't change anything. What's precious is precious. You love what you love and that is the way it is regardless of anything else.
Ceasing to exist forever changes nothing.
And good people are dangerous to monsters. WW2 is proof of that. Ain't no problem there. Forced to take evil or rise up to win freedom they had no choice and many of them only wanted to live free and they had to defeat Nazis.

So in today's reality there is blindnesses and ignorances about reality. Sometimes that can be very tragic, when good people are blind to reality. But the best motivating force there is, is to want to be right and not be dangerously wrong. The truth of the matter and no less. Reserve all judgment and defer all judgment until what's obviously not right evidences itself.

But there are those good meaning people who want only truth and are totally convinced they have it and still judge wrongly about things. Not seeing actuality in its entirety. I would hope they have a firm commitment not to be the final authority on things they don't understand. I myself think it bad to be master of someone else's fate. If at all possible, and no damage and harm done, then people should be able to live as they see fit to live as consenting adults.

Forcing your truth isn't going to be good. A lot of people have totally different truth. But there are obvious moral laws not to do murder nor assault anyone. There should be agreeance there.

People should feel free to communicate their truth. And I don't think it should be a problem.

Freedom of will and age of responsibility can be enforced. Why shouldn't it?

So the numbers play out and hopefully the best people find their way into the best positions. There's always holes to fill.

A family should be able to raise their children as they see fit while never doing harm to their children and letting them make their own choices when the time comes.

But to tackle racial injustice takes removing the racists from their positions.

Each generation has to carry their torch, and recognize the rights and freedoms that make life worth living. It's known that hatred should never be tolerated. It's known that it doesn't matter what race you are, you can achieve a worthy life equal to anyone. But now is the time never to take it for granted. It's always now!

I don't see that everyone is degenerating. It's that people need to wake up to the injustices. Move in positive circles, and don't let progress fall backward.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
If we look in to what happens in our world, we see chaos and turmoil, and if we want to get more details we only need to look in to RF discussion and debates forum.
It is so clear sign in here that it's going bad between races, religions.
Just look at the trash talk between people here, how did we end up like this? As an example: Many Christians bashing Islam or baha'I, atheists basing anyone that they can( not all atheists do)
Even my self have become sucked downward toward the muddy life of bashing others, and I hate that part of my self.

And if we look at the scripture from different spiritual teachings, the warnings are clear as day about that this will happen if we move away from the teaching. Do we have to pick up our own bad behavior and strengthen our practice so we once again can see clearly where we went wrong?

I am not attacking any special person in RF, this tread is only an observation from my part, and I wonder about if other see the same.

Can we try to keep the discussion civilized in this tread? Please

It has always been so. the internet just gives a wider platform for both the positive and the negative aspects of human nature.
Do remember, that bashing beliefs or ideas is not the same as bashing people (ad hominem attacks). People may deserve respect. Beliefs, claims, ideas must earn respect.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If we look in to what happens in our world, we see chaos and turmoil, and if we want to get more details we only need to look in to RF discussion and debates forum.
It is so clear sign in here that it's going bad between races, religions.
Just look at the trash talk between people here, how did we end up like this? As an example: Many Christians bashing Islam or baha'I, atheists basing anyone that they can( not all atheists do)
Even my self have become sucked downward toward the muddy life of bashing others, and I hate that part of my self.

And if we look at the scripture from different spiritual teachings, the warnings are clear as day about that this will happen if we move away from the teaching. Do we have to pick up our own bad behavior and strengthen our practice so we once again can see clearly where we went wrong?

I am not attacking any special person in RF, this tread is only an observation from my part, and I wonder about if other see the same.

Can we try to keep the discussion civilized in this tread? Please
There never was a year in history when you couldn't see degeneration in human beings if that's what you wanted to see.

And some believers will clutch at any straw to keep the Second Coming coming.

If the Black Death, the Thirty Years War, the colonial eras with their toll of native peoples, or last century's two world wars, were insufficient to bring the Second Coming about, then perhaps the statements attributed to the Jesuses of Mark, (Mark 9:1, Mark 13:28), of Matthew (Matthew 10:23, Matthew 16:28, Matthew 24:32) and of Luke (Luke 9:27)) that it would happen in the lifetime of some of Jesus' hearers will suffice to show a certain underlying absurdity if you take it literally.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
@Amanaki, let me explain this in simple terms for you:
  • You started a thread with "degeneration in human beings" in the title
  • Then you specifically call on the groups Christian and atheist
  • The (super obvious) implication is that you feel that Christians and atheists are (for the most part) degenerate human beings
  • And THEN, you ask everyone else to remain civil.
Ridiculous. Since you're always talking about your spiritual path and teaching, based on this type of hypocritical behavior, I would need to surmise that either your religious teaching is morally debased, or you fail to follow it correctly or understand it whatsoever. Think as you will about yourself... this is what I think of you.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
If we follow the Bible, it can be observed that people were morally declining back then, too. We just have technology now but humankind hasn’t change much - we all have the capacity to love yet the capacity to not love, sometimes the two parts of us are at war. This of course begs the question - what is love?
 

Straw Dog

Well-Known Member
If we look in to what happens in our world, we see chaos and turmoil, and if we want to get more details we only need to look in to RF discussion and debates forum.
It is so clear sign in here that it's going bad between races, religions.
Just look at the trash talk between people here, how did we end up like this? As an example: Many Christians bashing Islam or baha'I, atheists basing anyone that they can( not all atheists do)
Even my self have become sucked downward toward the muddy life of bashing others, and I hate that part of my self.

And if we look at the scripture from different spiritual teachings, the warnings are clear as day about that this will happen if we move away from the teaching. Do we have to pick up our own bad behavior and strengthen our practice so we once again can see clearly where we went wrong?

I am not attacking any special person in RF, this tread is only an observation from my part, and I wonder about if other see the same.

Can we try to keep the discussion civilized in this tread? Please


Greetings

Nothing new under the sun

Part of the conflict between us is the fact that we tend to identify with our ideas and belief systems. So whenever one of us criticize an idea or belief, those who identify feel personally offended, or we perceive people as identical to the ideas and beliefs they hold and feel justified in attacking them as individuals.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Greetings

Nothing new under the sun

Part of the conflict between us is the fact that we tend to identify with our ideas and belief systems. So whenever one of us criticize an idea or belief, those who identify feel personally offended, or we perceive people as identical to the ideas and beliefs they hold and feel justified in attacking them as individuals.
You seem to be a person able to regognize that belivers are people with no need to prove to others that their belief is right for them.
So my question still is and probably always will be. Why the need to critique something thet dont even believe in? Why not just let believers hold their belief?
Why do non believers expext to gain grom critique of believers?
 

Straw Dog

Well-Known Member
You seem to be a person able to regognize that belivers are people with no need to prove to others that their belief is right for them.
So my question still is and probably always will be. Why the need to critique something thet dont even believe in? Why not just let believers hold their belief?
Why do non believers expext to gain grom critique of believers?

It’s a critique of ideas and beliefs, or a challenge to better understand our collective reality. Whenever people perceive reality differently, curiosity wonders why and how.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
It’s a critique of ideas and beliefs, or a challenge to better understand our collective reality. Whenever people perceive reality differently, curiosity wonders why and how.
I do like when asked serioues religioues questions, but i noticed a few members asking questions not to learn, but to harm those who have a faith. And when example i get frustrated and answer back negativity they dont stop but continue to push. Do they do it to get people like my self angry? Or is it just fun for them? Almost seems like they become bullies of sort.
 

Straw Dog

Well-Known Member
I do like when asked serioues religioues questions, but i noticed a few members asking questions not to learn, but to harm those who have a faith. And when example i get frustrated and answer back negativity they dont stop but continue to push. Do they do it to get people like my self angry? Or is it just fun for them? Almost seems like they become bullies of sort.

Yes, whenever we identify with our ideas and beliefs to such an extent that our sense of self-esteem is heavily invested, any criticism of said ideas and beliefs becomes a personal attack.

Alternatively, some bullies attack people because they see them as the avatars of the ideas and beliefs they despise.

Either way, this lack of distance between human person and idea or belief triggers defense mechanisms that render all subsequent discussion combative.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Yes, whenever we identify with our ideas and beliefs to such an extent that our sense of self-esteem is heavily invested, any criticism of said ideas and beliefs becomes a personal attack.

Alternatively, some bullies attack people because they see them as the avatars of the ideas and beliefs they despise.

Either way, this lack of distance between human person and idea or belief triggers defense mechanisms that render all subsequent discussion combative.
So both sides are guilty in their own way?
 

MonkeyFire

Well-Known Member
The prince of the power of the air is now at work in the sons of disobence. The air is the element responsible for decomposing dead things.
 
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