A tale of three Californian states

[Twilight Hue]

Cool! According to the map, if the measure goes through Santa Barbara will have beaches on both sides of the mountains!

It would be interesting to see the political map.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This proposal is silly.

What I want is to be able to buy a fractional share of my Congressman and Senator. Why should the wealthy have all the fun. If I could find enough like-minded individuals, we could own one whole rep all to ourselves and that person would have to listen to us instead of the lobbyists.

I've been gunning for citizen lobbies for ages.

 

[sun rise]

I've been gunning for citizen lobbies for ages.

Citizen lobbies get outspent too often. I want something stronger for us.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Proposal to split California into three states makes November ballot

"California residents will get a chance to vote on a measure to divide the Golden State into three separate states, election officials said Tuesday.

Proponents of the CAL 3 initiative submitted more than 402,468 valid signatures as of Tuesday, making it eligible for the Nov. 6 general election ballot, according to the California Secretary of State’s office.

The office did not say exactly how many total signatures were submitted, but backers said the petition drew more than 600,000 from residents across the state’s 58 counties, dwarfing the 365,000 signatures required to qualify for the ballot.

Adding the initiative to the ballot would be the first step in a long process that would ultimately require approval from Congress.

The proposal, led by venture capitalist Tim Draper, would split the country’s most populous state into three new states of near-equal population: Northern California, California and Southern California, according to the proposal.

Northern California would include cities between the Bay Area and the Oregon border. Southern California would begin in Fresno and cover most of the southern state. The "new" California would cover Los Angeles County and much of the coast below San Francisco Bay, the proposal said.

California Secretary of State Alex Padilla will certify the initiative as qualified for the November ballot on June 28, his office said Tuesday.

Draper proposed similar measures in 2012 and 2014, but those efforts failed after election officials invalidated many of the signatures collected.

“The unanimous support for CAL 3 from all 58 of California’s counties to reach this unprecedented milestone in the legislative process is the signal that across California, we are united behind CAL 3 to create a brighter future for everyone,” Draper said in a statement in April after the signatures were collected.

Draper says the spilt would create three separate governments, boost education and infrastructure, and lower taxes, but critics claim it could do more harm than good.

“It’s not like you’re starting from scratch, you have to blow up everything,” Steven Maviglio, who helped defeat Draper’s previous effort, told local reporters earlier this year. “There are so many fundamentally flawed aspects to this.”

Source: Proposal to split California into three states makes November ballot

All I can say this is the result of:

1) Creating more senate and congressional seats.

2) Gerrymandering

3) Racial separation and more splitting up of the haves and have nots.

I personally believe state level government is obsolete, in the modern era of instant telecommunications and rapid transport, everything is better determined either at a local or national level. Australia is roughly the geographic size of the US and we make do with 7 states, and even that I think is too many. I cannot see any benefit in dividing California into smaller states.

If Americans want another state, maybe making Puerto Rico a state would help get some of their problems fixed?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

This proposal is silly.

What I want is to be able to buy a fractional share of my Congressman and Senator. Why should the wealthy have all the fun. If I could find enough like-minded individuals, we could own one whole rep all to ourselves and that person would have to listen to us instead of the lobbyists.

Isn't that, like, how representative democracy is supposed to work?

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

It sounds like the most expensive divorce in history. Just the fights over water resources is reason enough not to split up California. We are talking about the world's 5th largest economy and you want to restructure the whole thing based on . . . what? I don't think the Californians who are pushing this idea have a full picture of just how difficult and costly this would be.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Can you provide supporting evidence of your three assertions? I don't have a dog in this fight, but seems you need to support your assertions.

1) California has two seats in the 100 person U.S Senate. If you break California up into 3 states, that would mean the three states would have six seats in a 104 member chamber. Considering California is technically a blue state a broken up California would mean a dilution of power of other states and increase the power between the six senators of the three states on certain issues. In addition, this would be problematic as far as the electoral college is concerned considering within the last quarter century California has been predominantly Democrat, and breaking it up into three states means an end to that track record because most likely one of the California states would be Republican. I doubt Democrats would want to risk that.

2) When it comes to Gerrymandering this measure to break up California would mean costing taxpayers billions of dollars in transactional costs breaking up the states between universities and parks. You're also talking about redrawing district lines based on political affiliate parties dividing what used to be counties now into states. If the Bay area becomes a state itself and becomes Republican, you can potentially manipulate the electoral constituency.

3) Southern California such as Los Angeles and other smaller areas would be predominantly Hispanic and with that being said SoCal has been struggling and there could potentially be a massive demographic shift of affluent people towards the Bay or Northern parts (or whichever state votes Republican perhaps) in which the divide demographically would be evident and ten an issue of immigration would be the forefront of the infrastructure issues that many continue to debate on. In essence, a struggling SoCal would ultimately blame Hispanics or illegal Hispanics for the financial issues SoCal is facing. Remember we are already facing issues concerning water and other infrastructure problems this would just compound the problem.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I personally believe state level government is obsolete, in the modern era of instant telecommunications and rapid transport, everything is better determined either at a local or national level. Australia is roughly the geographic size of the US and we make do with 7 states, and even that I think is too many. I cannot see any benefit in dividing California into smaller states.

If Americans want another state, maybe making Puerto Rico a state would help get some of their problems fixed?

I think one of the arguments against making PR a state is because by doing so means inheritin their financial woes

 

[Milton Platt]

1) California has two seats in the 100 person U.S Senate. If you break California up into 3 states, that would mean the three states would have six seats in a 104 member chamber. Considering California is technically a blue state a broken up California would mean a dilution of power of other states and increase the power between the six senators of the three states on certain issues. In addition, this would be problematic as far as the electoral college is concerned considering within the last quarter century California has been predominantly Democrat, and breaking it up into three states means an end to that track record because most likely one of the California states would be Republican. I doubt Democrats would want to risk that.

2) When it comes to Gerrymandering this measure to break up California would mean costing taxpayers billions of dollars in transactional costs breaking up the states between universities and parks. You're also talking about redrawing district lines based on political affiliate parties dividing what used to be counties now into states. If the Bay area becomes a state itself and becomes Republican, you can potentially manipulate the electoral constituency.

3) Southern California such as Los Angeles and other smaller areas would be predominantly Hispanic and with that being said SoCal has been struggling and there could potentially be a massive demographic shift of affluent people towards the Bay or Northern parts (or whichever state votes Republican perhaps) in which the divide demographically would be evident and ten an issue of immigration would be the forefront of the infrastructure issues that many continue to debate on. In essence, a struggling SoCal would ultimately blame Hispanics or illegal Hispanics for the financial issues SoCal is facing. Remember we are already facing issues concerning water and other infrastructure problems this would just compound the problem.

Thanks....I misunderstood your statements. I thought you were asserting that the move to split the state into three was CAUSED by these things.

 

[Spiderman]

Nah... just that Alaska is gigantic

 

[Spiderman]

Nah... just that Alaska is gigantic

That was quoting @Father Heathen ...

 

[Quagmire]

You really like this idea?

Well sure! And to think, all this time I thought the guy who sold me beachfront property in Bakersfield had played me for a sucker.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Well sure! And to think, all this time I thought the guy who sold me beachfront property in Bakersfield had played me for a sucker.

You do realize this wont pass though

 

[Quagmire]

You do realize this wont pass though

Why do you insist on taking my posts seriously?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Why do you insist on taking my posts seriously?

How do I know who is joking and who isn't?

 

[Father Heathen]

Nah... just that Alaska is gigantic

Right, but a lot of it is very sparsely inhabited wilderness. You have to take population density into account.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Proposal to split California into three states makes November ballot

"California residents will get a chance to vote on a measure to divide the Golden State into three separate states, election officials said Tuesday.

Proponents of the CAL 3 initiative submitted more than 402,468 valid signatures as of Tuesday, making it eligible for the Nov. 6 general election ballot, according to the California Secretary of State’s office.

The office did not say exactly how many total signatures were submitted, but backers said the petition drew more than 600,000 from residents across the state’s 58 counties, dwarfing the 365,000 signatures required to qualify for the ballot.

Adding the initiative to the ballot would be the first step in a long process that would ultimately require approval from Congress.

The proposal, led by venture capitalist Tim Draper, would split the country’s most populous state into three new states of near-equal population: Northern California, California and Southern California, according to the proposal.

Northern California would include cities between the Bay Area and the Oregon border. Southern California would begin in Fresno and cover most of the southern state. The "new" California would cover Los Angeles County and much of the coast below San Francisco Bay, the proposal said.

California Secretary of State Alex Padilla will certify the initiative as qualified for the November ballot on June 28, his office said Tuesday.

Draper proposed similar measures in 2012 and 2014, but those efforts failed after election officials invalidated many of the signatures collected.

“The unanimous support for CAL 3 from all 58 of California’s counties to reach this unprecedented milestone in the legislative process is the signal that across California, we are united behind CAL 3 to create a brighter future for everyone,” Draper said in a statement in April after the signatures were collected.

Draper says the spilt would create three separate governments, boost education and infrastructure, and lower taxes, but critics claim it could do more harm than good.

“It’s not like you’re starting from scratch, you have to blow up everything,” Steven Maviglio, who helped defeat Draper’s previous effort, told local reporters earlier this year. “There are so many fundamentally flawed aspects to this.”

Source: Proposal to split California into three states makes November ballot

All I can say this is the result of:

1) Creating more senate and congressional seats.

2) Gerrymandering

3) Racial separation and more splitting up of the haves and have nots.

I'm in favor of selling NYC back to the indians.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I'm in favor of selling NYC back to the indians.

Where would all the people go?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Where would all the people go?

California?

 

[fantome profane]

California?

Which one?