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A "well" church

*Paul*

Jesus loves you
A “Well” Church

Pastor and author Greg Laurie says that Churches are “well” when they practice these activities:

W-orship
E-vangelize
L-earn
L-ove

Like the early church we should be active in these ways today.

Worship. We must meet together for fellowship, communion, prayer and praise (Acts 2:42,47). God is to be the focus of all we do in His church.

Evangelise. As we share the Word, the Lord will add believers to the church (v47). We can all take part in spreading God’s Word by developing a friendship, by giving someone an article about the gospel, or by sharing some Scripture verses with a stranger.

Learn. We must continue learning sound doctrine taught by qualified leaders (v42). The bible is filled with instruction for living, and we should take every opportunity to learn from it, apply it to our lives, and teach others.

Love. We are to share with whoever has need, and enjoy the fellowship of other believers regularly (vv.45-46).
A church whose members worship, evangelise, learn and love will be a “well” church, effective in the community, and appreciated by “all the people” (v47). –Anne Cetas
 

Seraphiel

Member
Evangelise. As we share the Word, the Lord will add believers to the church (v47). We can all take part in spreading God’s Word by developing a friendship, by giving someone an article about the gospel, or by sharing some Scripture verses with a stranger.
Evangelise is okay as long as they don't push it on to people.

Learn. We must continue learning sound doctrine taught by qualified leaders (v42). The bible is filled with instruction for living, and we should take every opportunity to learn from it, apply it to our lives, and teach others.
To bad the bible is missing a great deal of information, that some people wouldn't want to have in.
 

*Paul*

Jesus loves you
Tic toc tic toc, any minute now a moderator will come in and defend the Baptist DIR forum....maybe.

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aaannny minute now.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
I'm not a mod, but is it OK if I defend it? :)



This is a discussion forum, not a debate. I think that respectful questions can be asked, but challenges need to be reserved for the debate forums.



Peace,
Mystic
 

*Paul*

Jesus loves you
MysticSang'ha said:
I'm not a mod, but is it OK if I defend it? :)

This is a discussion forum, not a debate. I think that respectful questions can be asked, but challenges need to be reserved for the debate forums.

Peace,
Mystic
My hero. Frubals for the chivalry my friend.
 

xexon

Destroyer of Worlds
I was raised a baptist.

Looking back after so many years absent, the only thing I really miss are the after service dinners. :)


x
 

*Paul*

Jesus loves you
xexon said:
I was raised a baptist.

Looking back after so many years absent, the only thing I really miss are the after service dinners. :)


x

Lol, that sounds nice, the church I go to only does that on special occasions but it is always a really nice family atmosphere.
 

xexon

Destroyer of Worlds
In the deep south of the US where I grew up, known as the "Bible Belt", baptists take their sunday dinners very seriously. Lots of fried chicken. My favorite part was all the pies and cakes the blued haired old ladies would bring. REAL cooking, you know.


x
 

xexon

Destroyer of Worlds
And for the record, the English can't cook. :)

Sometimes I think you became an imperialistic country because you were looking for people that could. :) :) :)

A "well" church is one that feeds a need, knowing it lacks, but gives what it can anyway. Thats the high road. The low road would be to impose dogma it knows to be shakey, but still has the gall to pass the collection plate anyway.


x
 

*Paul*

Jesus loves you
xexon said:
And for the record, the English can't cook. :)

Sometimes I think you became an imperialistic country because you were looking for people that could. :) :)
:biglaugh:That has really cracked me up. Whats so wrong with lard on toast?
A "well" church is one that feeds a need, knowing it lacks, but gives what it can anyway. Thats the high road.
Agreed, silver and gold have i none but such as i have i give thee.

The low road would be to impose dogma it knows to be shakey, but still has the gall to pass the collection plate anyway.
In a sense i am in agreement with you. If a preacher is standing up there preaching as truth something he does not fully believe then he should not do it, that is hypocrisy. If you do not believe that what you are preaching from is God's Word then forget about it, pack the whole thing in and go home it is pointless building your lives on mens opinions, I want to hear from God, i want to know what God says about a matter and thats what counts.
 

James the Persian

Dreptcredincios Crestin
Seraphiel said:
Evangelise is okay as long as they don't push it on to people.

To bad the bible is missing a great deal of information, that some people wouldn't want to have in.

Sorry for the delay *Paul*, but I only just saw this. You know you can report posts like this, right? A moderator will do something if we know thi is happening. Anyway:

MOD HAT ON

This is the Baptist DIR forum. If you are not a Baptist you may not argue here, but merely ask questions and conduct friendly discussions. Any further posts of this sort will be deleted (assuming we're made aware of them).

James
 

*Paul*

Jesus loves you
JamesThePersian said:
Sorry for the delay *Paul*, but I only just saw this. You know you can report posts like this, right? A moderator will do something if we know thi is happening. Anyway:
It didn't get out of hand so I didn't call the old bill but i know that option is available, thanks James. :run:
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
What a frightening sense of humour...........it's like a train wreck. I know I shouldn't be looking, but I just can't avert my eyes. :p



I actually do have some questions, *Paul*, and I'd like to know how you'd expound on each of the four aspects of the W-E-L-L church. Would you be so kind to start with Worship?



*Paul* said:
Worship. We must meet together for fellowship, communion, prayer and praise (Acts 2:42,47). God is to be the focus of all we do in His church.



As a Buddhist, we take our refuges very seriously, and one of them is the refuge in the Buddhist community. It seems to me that the attitude toward worship in the church is to give regular doses of strengthening your faith in God. 'Tis much easier to do in numbers, too.


The second sentence is what has me curious. Does the focus on God continue outside of the church throughout daily life? Or is this, what I assume to be, the focus on the congregation is helping and evangelizing for other people during the week.........and you take one day to give all thanks back to God? Maybe it isn't so black-and-white, and it might be a combination of both, but I'm curious how your focus is divided.



Thank you. :)



Peace,
Mystic
 

*Paul*

Jesus loves you
MysticSang'ha said:
What a frightening sense of humour...........it's like a train wreck. I know I shouldn't be looking, but I just can't avert my eyes. :p
Yeah I gotta get that back under control, whenever my humour gets out people get hurt.

I actually do have some questions, *Paul*, and I'd like to know how you'd expound on each of the four aspects of the W-E-L-L church. Would you be so kind to start with Worship?

I'll Do my best, this is speaking specifically when we are gathered together i'll go into every day life after.

Worship:
God should be the focus of our worship always, it is a time when we give Him the honour and glory that is rightly His so worship should be God focused not man focused. It should be reverential, respectful, joyful, truthful and come from a heart that is grateful and full of love for Him. Mere outward forms of worship are useless and will be rejected:
Isa 29v13: Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
We should partake of the Lords table often in remembrance of His redemption and to remind us He is coming again, again this should be solemn but not miserable.
It is a time when we can encourage each other to do good, when we can share our burdens together, pray together and learn from one another. It is also a time when we can exercise our gifts that God has given us to build each other up.

Evangelise:
This is a very necessary duty and an act of love, we have a command from God to share the good news with others and make disciples of Jesus Christ. This is an important duty but we are not to expect that we shall be thanked for our efforts. The gospel must be preached:
Rom 1v16-17: For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.(synonym for gentile)
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 10v13-15: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

It's not an attempt to get people to join your church so you can have their money and boast about church growth, it is a genuine heartfelt act of love for people who you want to be saved from an eternity seperated from God who is the source of all the good things we have in life and our ability to enjoy them. It should always come from a heart of love filled with passion for those who are without Christ and not just to be contentious or win arguements or look good to your brethren. If God lovd the World so much that He gave His only Begotten Son then if we are filled with that same love then we should give ourselves to the same cause.
Of course not everyone is an evangelist but everone has their role to play if not on hte front line then behind the scenes.

Better do a new post incase i run out of words.
 

*Paul*

Jesus loves you
Learn:
Learning when we are gathered together is important we can learn from each other as we all have different insights, God gives gifts to His church and one of those gifts is a teacher of Gods word. Learning should be without pride or jealousy but be recieved with thankfulness, it should be bible based and relevant. Howver we should each learn for ourselves too and not put all our trust on teachers as there have been many decievers in time past and Jesus, Paul, John, Jude, James, and Peter all warned about these and they come in many disguises, in this day and age usually straight out of bible college or seminary, study for your self, you are the only one who is going to give an account for your life one day so don't put yourselves at the mercy of fallible men. I could talk all day about this problem and the necessity of vigilance but i withhold the urge now.

Love
There is no greater truth than this we should love one another and put up with (forebear) one another, we all have weaknesses, we all have quirks, we are all imperfect and we all need each other. We should look after those in need, give practical help not just offer our prayers. Look after peoples babies for them if they are strruggling or need to get out, listen to others difficulties and doubts and offer advice, counsel (biblicly) those with problems of living, visit those who have been away, show them you care don't look down on those who don't have this worlds good but treat them equally or even better than you would someone who is rich.
Love also diciplines, corrects and protects.
If someone has taken on a heresy it is needful that you take him aside and try to correct him out of loving concern, if someone is living in sin this must be addressed for the persons own good and for those around them. If they will not repent then they must be excommunicated to protect the others from the same outcomes and so that the Name of Jesus is not blasphemed because of your tolerance of sin. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. Jesus rebukes those who tolerate sinfulness amonght them becuase we are representing Him on this earth and that is a big deal.
Rv 2v14-16: But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth

Rv 2v19-22: I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Rv 3v19: As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rv 3v20: Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
 
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