a world without religion

[Unification]

And the Invisible Pink Unicorn loves you. We can both throw worthless platitudes back and forth, I guess.

You shall see.

 

[Unification]

Nope, neither have you. Neither has anyone else. When you're dead, you're dead.

Truth for both of us, we've never experienced such. From our perspectives, we are conscious and always will be. That's evidence. There is no evidence of being physically dead for you or I, therefore it's more rational to say "I do not know what happens upon physical death."
Only a fool would believe something they've never experienced.

 

[Cephus]

You shall see.

Actually I won't, I'll be dead, just like you. But at least I didn't spent my life being delusional.

 

[Cephus]

Truth for both of us, we've never experienced such. From our perspectives, we are conscious and always will be. That's evidence. There is no evidence of being physically dead for you or I, therefore it's more rational to say "I do not know what happens upon physical death."
Only a fool would believe something they've never experienced.

I guess that would make you a fool, you say you haven't experienced it, yet you still believe.

 

[Elusive Truth]

how would you picture a world without religions? without the idea of some god created everything and so on.. would it be for the better or worse?

It would be like an English speaking world without Shakespeare, or even worse.

It's hard to imagine.

 

[sojourner]

There is no purgatory. There is no heaven. There is no hell. John Lennon died and is rotting in the ground (assuming he was buried, I have no idea and didn't feel like looking), the same as everyone else. There is no evidence that any afterlife exists in any way, shape or form. Just because it makes you feel good to think it exists is not evidence that it actually exists. Only a fool believes things for which there is no evidence, rational people accept ideas when, and only when, they are supported by objective and demonstrable proof.

You'd rather just make something up. That's ridiculous.

You can't make any of those statements with any degree of certainty, since no evidence exists to suggest that they don't exist. If you inserted the word, "probably" in your statements, then they might be closer to reality.

 

[sojourner]

And the Invisible Pink Unicorn loves you. We can both throw worthless platitudes back and forth, I guess.

Oh, you mean like, "There is no god." Right?

 

[Cephus]

You can't make any of those statements with any degree of certainty, since no evidence exists to suggest that they don't exist. If you inserted the word, "probably" in your statements, then they might be closer to reality.

I'm not saying anything to any degree of absolute certainty, I can't even be positive I exist with absolute certainty and neither can you. Besides, we do not believe things just because there's no evidence that they don't exist, otherwise we'd all have our heads stuffed full of the most absurd nonsense. Rational people only accept things that *DO* have evidence for their existence and do not believe anything unless that evidence is demonstrated first. Otherwise you're just getting a bunch of childish "you can't prove me wrong" nonsense.

 

[Cephus]

Oh, you mean like, "There is no god." Right?

There is no evidence for god, hence there's no reason to believe it exists, just like the Invisible Pink Unicorn. You can't prove me wrong, after all.

 

[sojourner]

I'm not saying anything to any degree of absolute certainty, I can't even be positive I exist with absolute certainty and neither can you. Besides, we do not believe things just because there's no evidence that they don't exist, otherwise we'd all have our heads stuffed full of the most absurd nonsense. Rational people only accept things that *DO* have evidence for their existence and do not believe anything unless that evidence is demonstrated first. Otherwise you're just getting a bunch of childish "you can't prove me wrong" nonsense.

'K. Where's your evidence that there's no afterlife? Why do you insist on believing there is none, when there's no proof there is none?

 

[sojourner]

There is no evidence for god, hence there's no reason to believe it exists, just like the Invisible Pink Unicorn. You can't prove me wrong, after all.

There's no evidence for an "invisible sky daddy." But God doesn't have to be an invisible sky daddy. People talk about God, develop theological constructions and build religions around God. Seems to be some evidence for God...

 

[Cephus]

'K. Where's your evidence that there's no afterlife? Why do you insist on believing there is none, when there's no proof there is none?

You apparently cannot read. I just said, and you quoted, that it isn't my job to prove that something isn't true, it's *YOUR* job to prove that it is. Reading comprehension is your friend.

 

[Cephus]

There's no evidence for an "invisible sky daddy." But God doesn't have to be an invisible sky daddy. People talk about God, develop theological constructions and build religions around God. Seems to be some evidence for God...

None of which actually demonstrates that this "God" character is actually real. It doesn't matter what people think about imaginary characters, what people say about imaginary characters, it only matters whether these characters actually exist in the real world. You have yet to demonstrate this. Get to work.

 

[sojourner]

You apparently cannot read. I just said, and you quoted, that it isn't my job to prove that something isn't true, it's *YOUR* job to prove that it is. Reading comprehension is your friend.

Right, but unless you know for a fact that something doesn't exist, how can you state for a fact that it doesn't exist? Years ago, we didn't know about subatomic particles either. But they existed. Even if we couldn't perceive the evidence of their existence. I'm perfectly comfortable with your saying "I don't believe," or even "I've seen no evidence to show..." But to simply flatly state, "There is no afterlife" is, according to you, irrational.

 

[sojourner]

it only matters whether these characters actually exist in the real world.

Does it? Ideas have wrought an awful lot of world change...

Just what is God? I dunno. Do you? You see, you're taking one specific understanding of God, providing a logical argument against it, and then concluding that God doesn't exist. Maybe God doesn't exist in that particular understanding, but does that mean that God can't exist in all other conceptions, either?

 

[Unification]

I guess that would make you a fool, you say you haven't experienced it, yet you still believe.

Of course. All we know is being conscious. It would be rational to believe what it known and truth. . Which is being conscious. Since all we know is being conscious, there is no evidence suggesting we'll ever be anything but conscious. Of course I believe in something I know. I know being conscious.

 

[Unification]

I guess that would make you a fool, you say you haven't experienced it, yet you still believe.

Don't guess. Assumptions are never tangible proof.

 

[Bunyip]

Of course. All we know is being conscious. It would be rational to believe what it known and truth. . Which is being conscious. Since all we know is being conscious, there is no evidence suggesting we'll ever be anything but conscious. Of course I believe in something I know. I know being conscious.

Well the evidence that consciousness stops is in that we can observe other consciousnesses and how they appear to cease to exist at death.

 

[thau]

There is no purgatory. There is no heaven. There is no hell... Only a fool believes things for which there is no evidence, rational people accept ideas when, and only when, they are supported by objective and demonstrable proof.

Oh, and what objective and demonstrable proof do you have that there is no heaven or hell or purgatory?

I cannot account for such willful blindness as you appear to me... that, I admit.

 

[Unification]

Well the evidence that consciousness stops is in that we can observe other consciousnesses and how they appear to cease to exist at death.

Other consciouses wouldn't be our very own. Until one experiences such, all one knows is being conscious.

That same testing provides evidence for the conscious separating from the physical body, after brain and heart are both stopped.

Which provides stories and testimonies of the experiences. Atheists turning into theists, etc.
Separation from a material universe are very real testimonies.
Some not remembering anything, etc.

It's the individual's experience, and even when that individual is brought back to physical life and states what happened, no one believes them anyhow because there is still no proof other than what they say and experience, making the testing completely useless unless one tests with an unbiased attitude with no prejudice towards either side, open minded.

All we know and experience is being conscious, individually and collectively.