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A World without Rules.

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Good question. As I see it, we are all children of God. We are all eternal. I think we are all connected somehow. I think most everyone is empathic in some way. This seems to be tied to our feelings.

Compassion, I find comes from pain and suffering. You feel empathy because you've experienced the same pain for yourself.

Pain and suffering seem the catalyst to bring about compassion and empathy.

I sometimes picture this existence as a big rock tumbler. We get stuck here with a bunch of grit to grind into each other to rub off the rough edges.

I accept some people still have a lot of rough edges.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
There is no dependence on the stories in terms of their content. The dependence is purely on a set of text in which is clearly encoded a number of important secrets. Once a person is shown those secrets the picture becomes very clear and the stupidity of people taking the texts literally and basing religions around them is utterly preposterous.



That's incorrect in the extreme. I have graciously outlined an alchemical process in my earlier post. I have shown irrefutably how the Bible and other texts and treatises make reference to that alchemical process. To deny those links is just irrational. But we can go further. You CAN actually undertake the alchemical experiment/process.
You CAN go and buy flasks and alembics, water baths and other equipment and go and distil and calcine the substance involved in the process. The substance that the Bible and all other works refer to. This my friend IS actual evidence. It is evidential enquiry. I've seen the website where 100s of people were actively engaged in this process. They put up many photos of their equipment and the contents of their flasks. The Bible and other works explain what is to be expected if you conduct the process correctly. You will get a white salt and sure enough, that is exactly what people have found, in reality, in fact, evidentially. When they put that salt in the egg shaped flask together with the distilled liquid and apply gentle heat over a long period, they see exactly what the secret in the books told them would happen. The White salt first turns absolutely black in the putrefaction stage. Then goes through the other colours.

All throughout this what we see is Nature in action and mimicking exactly what Nature does around us. It's all evidential. Nature takes one thing, decomposes it into its primary materia and then reforms it into something else. We see it happen around us on a daily basis, actual fact, actual evidence, Nature in action. The hidden secrets tell us that Nature will perform the same actions on the salt in the alchemist's flask, and so she does.



That knowledge is out there to be learned and discovered is unquestionable. The crazy belief systems however that abound serve only to stunt our progress and keep our minds locked and dumbed down. People before us realised this and pursued the hidden knowledge relentlessly. They discovered some amazing things including the Philosopher's Stone. They encoded those secrets in works like the Bible but others have since taken the works, doctored them, ripped out important parts and censored the whole thing. Then they built systems of control using their corrupted version. Mankind has been living under the constraint and control of those systems ever since.
The truth needs to come out and be displayed for all to see, In that light, the shadows of the corrupt rulers will be dispelled and mankind as a whole will be able to progress.



Time is a factor here. Nature demonstrates daily that we will go around and around and around her cycle. She makes us, she grows us, then we decay, we decompose, and Nature will once again take our primary material and build something else out of it. We are trapped in this loop until such time as we learn that the source of it all is the one true life energy of which the entire universe is composed. Once we know and understand that source, that "oneness" then we can change and merge with it.



Your mind appears to be closed, not open. I have shown you facts not beliefs. I don't "believe" that the Philosopher's Stone is mentioned in the Bible, I have plainly shown you exactly where it is mentioned in multiple chapters and verses, I have plainly shown you the diagram of the actual apparatus used and the terminology used. 1000s of people the world over are actively engaged in that work, using that apparatus. It is not belief, it is absolute fact. You can choose to ignore those facts, that is your prerogative, but doing so does not advance your understanding nor your personal growth.



This statement suggests you have undertaken the alchemical experiments and proven that they do not work. But that is not true is it? You don't have experience of the Philosopher's Stone, you have never undertaken the process, as it is outlined in the Bible and all the 1000s of other scripts, treatises and tomes now readily available,
How can you expect something to "add up" if you:

- refuse to see the references to it in the works
- refuse to objectively investigate what those references are referring to
- refuse to see if the processes outlined there do what they say in the tin

?

Proverbs 3:13-20:

"Happy is the man that findeth wisdom (i.e. the Stone), and the man that getteth understanding. For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold. She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her. Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour. Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace. She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her. The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens. By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew."


You are generating stories based on text in a book that is not true. Your alchemical experiment is a chemical reaction. Have you taken it to a chemist to find out what is really happening. Have you tested it all to see what elements are really in the sample? One can see something happening and just like horoscopes find a way of making it fit together with beliefs and stories. I need the specific chemicals, reactions and process. I need exactly what you are trying to create not just a name.

As I see it. I do not deal in alchemy. Since we are all spiritual beings in our true natures, it has never been about our physical bodies or this physical world. The physical limits us in so many ways. When one reaches a point in education, that physical body will no longer be needed simply because we won't need the restrictions. In short, by the time one is smart enough to allow that physical body to last forever, one will not need it or even want it.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
That makes sense to me- that Earth is a proving ground, where people with free will learn to choose good over evil in all it's forms- it's the only way a truly and purely good 'society' could exist.. without laws as you say- and what better purpose for creation could there be, than the attainment of pure love?

But whether we all eventually get there.. I'm really not sure, how do you see that this works, reincarnation?


As I see it, We are Spiritual beings in our true natures. After the death of our physical body, we go to God. When we experience God's Unconditional Love, a Love that heals all hurt, a Love we would do anything for, we want to be just like God. We see where we are are where we need to be. If there is any judging going on, it will be that we judge ourselves. One stays with God long enough until our hurt no longer exists. Look at the very youngest of children. See what God is really like through them. See their free, open, clean spirit. At some point we are placed in a new physical body just born in a specific world with new parameters and new people around us so that we might learn and grow. We are Living our Lessons. Since there is no time limit on education, the number of physical lives one lives does not matter. That is why everyone gets to Heaven because intelligence will make that choice once it has learned enough and discovered all sides of everything. For each life, the stage is set. What will one choose to do now? Regardless of those choices, our education continues.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
Compassion, I find comes from pain and suffering. You feel empathy because you've experienced the same pain for yourself.

Pain and suffering seem the catalyst to bring about compassion and empathy.

I sometimes picture this existence as a big rock tumbler. We get stuck here with a bunch of grit to grind into each other to rub off the rough edges.

I accept some people still have a lot of rough edges.



Pain is only an indication something is wrong. A person was never meant not to have pain. So often one makes bad choices. When we discover all sides, we discover how that choice hurts others in so many ways. Once one has true understanding, that bad choice will no longer be a viable choice for us.

Rubbing off the rough edges. I don't think anyone can get toward Greatness and Perfection without experiencing that rock tumbler.

You might be right about compassion. It is hard to watch others going through such adversity to learn lessons we have already learned. We understand the hurt they experience. For those of us that must watch, it is a reminder of what the true answers really are. What is really frustrating is that no matter how one might want to help, one will not be allowed to interfere with someone learning their hard lesson. On the other hand, when we try anyway, regardless of whether it does any good, it speaks to who we really are and how we define ourselves.
 

Electra

Active Member
Mankind's freedom and utopia could happen very quickly, but only if the Stone were made available to all.

That isn't going to happen any time soon as far as I can see.

I can see The Gift sometimes, I at first thought they where God, whenever I asked who they where they said don't worry about it, but I worked it out. That is as far as it has come. I have seen them only ~three times.
They are blue with an orange ring around them.

TBC
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
As I see it, We are Spiritual beings in our true natures. After the death of our physical body, we go to God. When we experience God's Unconditional Love, a Love that heals all hurt, a Love we would do anything for, we want to be just like God. We see where we are are where we need to be. If there is any judging going on, it will be that we judge ourselves. One stays with God long enough until our hurt no longer exists. Look at the very youngest of children. See what God is really like through them. See their free, open, clean spirit. At some point we are placed in a new physical body just born in a specific world with new parameters and new people around us so that we might learn and grow. We are Living our Lessons. Since there is no time limit on education, the number of physical lives one lives does not matter. That is why everyone gets to Heaven because intelligence will make that choice once it has learned enough and discovered all sides of everything. For each life, the stage is set. What will one choose to do now? Regardless of those choices, our education continues.

That seems logical to me, it doesn't make sense that everything we learn and experience in a lifetime is simply thrown out. And we can't possibly judge reality on what we deem plausible or impossible- reality ultimately reflects the will of it's creator- nothing more or less.
 
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