Abortion can save many souls.

[Spiderman]

Abortion is homicide. My mother was told to terminate the pregnancy because she was in medical school when pregnant with me, and it was a huge inconvenience.

I've told her multiple times she made the wrong decision choosing life. Eventually she said, "I know".

I have done some good things, but a lot of Christians think I'm going to hell anyways. Some people don't have an ounce of human decency, and not having responsible parents or a Father can lead to sociopathic tendancies.

I don't know what the results of studies have been and I could care less at this point , because you can find studies that say completely opposite things about the same topic. What I do know is I have seen people who fill the prison systems and they are often people who didn't have responsible parents, people without a Father, orphans, unwanted pregnancies, and people born into poverty.

I know I would rather be aborted than be raised in ghettos of any country. I've seen the hell that we live in, and often they just die of violence, drug overdose, or God only knows what anyway. Were they aborted they could have been spared all that suffering and died without sin like they were the Virgin Mary or something.

That's like a free ticket to Heaven. The Mother can still get to Heaven, because she just has to repent. The abortion Doctor might get to Heaven for saving souls and doing what is most compassionate and goes with what their conscience tells them is right.

Scripture says better Judas had never been born. It was terrible that he wasn't killed in the womb.

But yes, I believe life begins at conception. Once we start saying life doesn't begin at conception or that abortion isn't homicide, then we become more and more like the Soviet Union, because when life doesn't begin at conception, we are close to simply just saying there is no such thing as sentient beings or God to please through good deeds and avoiding bad ones, which I know can be a moral disaster, as I was extremely sociopathic as an atheist, and why wouldn't I be?

No one is pleased by my good deeds with the exception of the material people that benefit from them, and no one can consequence me for my bad deeds, as long as I hide them. And yes, that is terrible for society to go that way.

Please let me know why you agree or disagree. Thanks.

I want a free ticket to heaven. Yeah...really badly! So, abortion makes total sense. However, it's still homicide. And I wish people would be willing to admit that much.

I've seen images of an aborted baby with a nose, lips, open eyes gazing into the air. Yeah, that's a human and it's homicide. So, I'm not too fond of planned parenthood trying to say a human being isn't human. But I'm not too fond of these people like I used to be who pray in front of an abortion clinic to further traumatize and fill with guilt an extremely scared person making the most difficult decision she ever had to make.

If she keeps that kid it could ruin her life and the life of the child.

 

[Spiderman]

hom·i·cide
/ˈhäməˌsīd/

noun

the deliberate killing of one person by another.

The only thing about abortion that makes it technically not homicide, is that abortion is legal in some places. Homicide is technically an unlawful killing.

But then you run into, "well, it's not homicide in America now, but before Roe v Wade it was."

Yeah, it's the same thing. Just now it's safer with less consequences. It's one human killing another.

 

[ChristineM]

Abortion is homicide

Only in countries that consider abortion to be homicide.

Most western countries no longer have such an outdated law despite some religions still making the accusation

Ok, i just read your second post and no it's legally the same thing. The definition of when does a foetus become human is involved

 

[thomas t]

Scripture says better Judas had never been born. It was terrible that he wasn't killed in the womb.

However, no couple can know in advance who will turn out as a Judas and who will be a hero.

Free will. Also for couples.

I am not fond of abortion like the guy in the video is.
I am against abortion. (Almost) every single abortion kills.
I am against killings.

Also, society does not have to be a hell by default.
Here in Bamberg, it's beautiful. Let me tell you, for me it's paradise. My friends help me a lot and make it possible that I can live as a musician.

from https://pixabay.com/photos/architecture-building-river-truss-3677861/

 

[Heyo]

Ok, i just read your second post and no it's legally the same thing. The definition of when does a foetus become human a person is involved

Fixed.

 

[ChristineM]

Fixed.

Ok

In many jurisdictions a foetus becomes a human being after 16 weeks but a person will do too

 

[thomas t]

since you mention legal abortion.... I'm against legal abortion.
I think abortion should be decriminalized to save women's lives who would die from unsafe abortion.
If women don't die from unsafe abortion, criminalized abortion often means abortion tourism if the woman can afford the trip.

But why does abortion have to be legal?
I see no reason for it.
A merely decriminalized abortion can also be safe.

Legal puts a moral judgement in place which is wrong, I think.

 

[darkskies]

Fixed.

What's the difference?

 

[Erebus]

What's the difference?

The exact distinction can vary wildly depending on the context. The concept of personhood from a legal perspective might be different from that of a moral philosophical perspective for example.

Broadly speaking, the difference is generally something along these lines:

Human - A member of the human race.
Person - An individual with the rights and/or responsibilities that entails.

In terms of abortion, you might argue that while a fetus is human, it doesn't possess the qualities or rights of somebody who has been born. That might be because it isn't conscious, because its brain isn't fully developed or a host of other reasons. The question of consciousness is particularly tricky here since it isn't easily defined. For example, Peter Singer argued that not only do fetuses lack personhood, newborns also lack it as neither is capable of self-awareness and therefore unable to hold preferences.

 

[darkskies]

In terms of abortion, you might argue that while a fetus is human, it doesn't possess the qualities or rights of somebody who has been born. That might be because it isn't conscious, because its brain isn't fully developed or a host of other reasons. The question of consciousness is particularly tricky here since it isn't easily defined. For example, Peter Singer argued that not only do fetuses lack personhood, newborns also lack it.

Ah, thank you very much.

 

[Erebus]

Ah, thank you very much.

No problem

 

[Regiomontanus]

What's the difference?

None, really. It is an arbitrary distinction mainly, I think, to ease the minds of those advocating for 'abortion rights'.

 

[darkskies]

None, really. It is an arbitrary distinction mainly, I think, to ease the minds of those advocating for 'abortion rights'.

Hmmm...

 

[ChristineM]

since you mention legal abortion.... I'm against legal abortion.
I think abortion should be decriminalized to save women's lives who would die from unsafe abortion.
If women don't die from unsafe abortion, criminalized abortion often means abortion tourism if the woman can afford the trip.

But why does abortion have to be legal?
I see no reason for it.
A merely decriminalized abortion can also be safe.

Legal puts a moral judgement in place which is wrong, I think.

Legal also puts regulations in play for the practitioner. Decriminalization would do nothing to prevent back street abortion, on the contrary, it would allow anyone with a knitting needle to set up shop without fear of prosecution.

 

[viole]

Abortion is homicide, but homicide can be the nicest thing for a lot of people. My mother was told to terminate the pregnancy because she was in medical school when pregnant with me, and it was a huge inconvenience.

I've told her multiple times she made the wrong decision choosing life. Eventually she said, "I know".

I have done some good things, but a lot of Christians think I'm going to hell anyways. Some people don't have an ounce of human decency, and not having responsible parents or a Father can lead to sociopathic tendancies.

I don't know what the results of studies have been and I could care less at this point , because you can find studies that say completely opposite things about the same topic. What I do know is I have seen people who fill the prison systems and they are often people who didn't have responsible parents, people without a Father, orphans, unwanted pregnancies, and people born into poverty.

I know I would rather be aborted than be raised in ghettos of any country. I've seen the hell that we live in, and often they just die of violence, drug overdose, or God only knows what anyway. Were they aborted they could have been spared all that suffering and died without sin like they were the Virgin Mary or something.

That's like a free ticket to Heaven. The Mother can still get to Heaven, because she just has to repent. The abortion Doctor might get to Heaven for saving souls and doing what is most compassionate and goes with what their conscience tells them is right.

Scripture says better Judas had never been born. It was terrible that he wasn't killed in the womb.

But yes, I believe life begins at conception. Once we start saying life doesn't begin at conception or that abortion isn't homicide, then we become more and more like the Soviet Union, because when life doesn't begin at conception, we are close to simply just saying there is no such thing as sentient beings or God to please through good deeds and avoiding bad ones, which I know can be a moral disaster, as I was extremely sociopathic as an atheist, and why wouldn't I be?

No one is pleased by my good deeds with the exception of the material people that benefit from them, and no one can consequence me for my bad deeds, as long as I hide them. And yes, that is terrible for society to go that way.

Please let me know why you agree or disagree. Thanks.

I want a free ticket to heaven. Yeah...really badly! So, abortion makes total sense. However, it's still homicide. And I wish people would be willing to admit that much.

I've seen images of an aborted baby with a nose, lips, open eyes gazing into the air. Yeah, that's a human and it's homicide. So, I'm not too fond of planned parenthood trying to say a human being isn't human. But I'm not too fond of these people like I used to be who pray in front of an abortion clinic to further traumatize and fill with guilt an extremely scared person making the most difficult decision she ever had to make.

If she keeps that kid it could ruin her life and the life of the child.

According to Christian doctrine, I would say it saves all souls, with the possible exception of the mother who sacrifices her eternal destiny for her child's.

Abortion is, from a Christian salvation point of view, like allowing a human being guaranteed salvation, by removing from the start all eternal risks associated to living a few decades of physical life. It is a sort of metaphysical vaccination.

I really wonder why Christians frown upon it.

Ciao

- viole

 

[RabbiO]

I am not fond of abortion like the guy in the video is.

You don’t know who is the man in the video?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Abortion is homicide, but homicide can be the nicest thing for a lot of people. My mother was told to terminate the pregnancy because she was in medical school when pregnant with me, and it was a huge inconvenience.

I've told her multiple times she made the wrong decision choosing life. Eventually she said, "I know".

I have done some good things, but a lot of Christians think I'm going to hell anyways. Some people don't have an ounce of human decency, and not having responsible parents or a Father can lead to sociopathic tendancies.

I don't know what the results of studies have been and I could care less at this point , because you can find studies that say completely opposite things about the same topic. What I do know is I have seen people who fill the prison systems and they are often people who didn't have responsible parents, people without a Father, orphans, unwanted pregnancies, and people born into poverty.

I know I would rather be aborted than be raised in ghettos of any country. I've seen the hell that we live in, and often they just die of violence, drug overdose, or God only knows what anyway. Were they aborted they could have been spared all that suffering and died without sin like they were the Virgin Mary or something.

That's like a free ticket to Heaven. The Mother can still get to Heaven, because she just has to repent. The abortion Doctor might get to Heaven for saving souls and doing what is most compassionate and goes with what their conscience tells them is right.

Scripture says better Judas had never been born. It was terrible that he wasn't killed in the womb.

But yes, I believe life begins at conception. Once we start saying life doesn't begin at conception or that abortion isn't homicide, then we become more and more like the Soviet Union, because when life doesn't begin at conception, we are close to simply just saying there is no such thing as sentient beings or God to please through good deeds and avoiding bad ones, which I know can be a moral disaster, as I was extremely sociopathic as an atheist, and why wouldn't I be?

No one is pleased by my good deeds with the exception of the material people that benefit from them, and no one can consequence me for my bad deeds, as long as I hide them. And yes, that is terrible for society to go that way.

Please let me know why you agree or disagree. Thanks.

I want a free ticket to heaven. Yeah...really badly! So, abortion makes total sense. However, it's still homicide. And I wish people would be willing to admit that much.

I've seen images of an aborted baby with a nose, lips, open eyes gazing into the air. Yeah, that's a human and it's homicide. So, I'm not too fond of planned parenthood trying to say a human being isn't human. But I'm not too fond of these people like I used to be who pray in front of an abortion clinic to further traumatize and fill with guilt an extremely scared person making the most difficult decision she ever had to make.

If she keeps that kid it could ruin her life and the life of the child.

There's no way to know the future if abortion would have helped or not.

I think of brilliant minds wasted forevermore as much as incredibly evil minds preventing the potential for immense destruction and pain.

 

[Yazata]

Abortion is homicide, but homicide can be the nicest thing for a lot of people. My mother was told to terminate the pregnancy because she was in medical school when pregnant with me, and it was a huge inconvenience.

I've told her multiple times she made the wrong decision choosing life. Eventually she said, "I know".

That's a sad and bizarre story. You tried convince your mother that she shouldn't have given birth to you and she agreed??

I have done some good things, but a lot of Christians think I'm going to hell anyways.

Are you a Christian? If not, why does it matter what they think about your eventual salvation?

Some people don't have an ounce of human decency, and not having responsible parents or a Father can lead to sociopathic tendancies.

I don't know what the results of studies have been and I could care less at this point , because you can find studies that say completely opposite things about the same topic. What I do know is I have seen people who fill the prison systems and they are often people who didn't have responsible parents, people without a Father, orphans, unwanted pregnancies, and people born into poverty.

But most people aren't "sociopaths" and most people don't wind up in prison. Killing people at random to prevent criminals from appearing seems a little extreme. Even killing children of single mothers in the projects who might have a higher statistical likelihood of becoming criminals is hard for me to accept. I support the death penalty, but it needs to come after the crime.

I know I would rather be aborted than be raised in ghettos of any country. I've seen the hell that we live in, and often they just die of violence, drug overdose, or God only knows what anyway. Were they aborted they could have been spared all that suffering and died without sin like they were the Virgin Mary or something.

Being poor isn't necessarily hellish. It's possible to be poor and be very happy and ethical. Billions succeed in that every day.

Besides, I'm not comfortable getting behind an argument that killing poor people is justifiable to put them out of their (supposed) misery. Arguing that killing them will win them a sure way into a better existence in heaven is too dependent on your own religious belief. Just as the Islamic State's atrocities were justifiable by their own peculiar religious beliefs.

I'm not going to go there.

Abortion may or may not be justifiable, but this isn't the way to argue for it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Abortion is homicide, but homicide can be the nicest thing for a lot of people. My mother was told to terminate the pregnancy because she was in medical school when pregnant with me, and it was a huge inconvenience.

I've told her multiple times she made the wrong decision choosing life. Eventually she said, "I know".

I have done some good things, but a lot of Christians think I'm going to hell anyways. Some people don't have an ounce of human decency, and not having responsible parents or a Father can lead to sociopathic tendancies.

I don't know what the results of studies have been and I could care less at this point , because you can find studies that say completely opposite things about the same topic. What I do know is I have seen people who fill the prison systems and they are often people who didn't have responsible parents, people without a Father, orphans, unwanted pregnancies, and people born into poverty.

I know I would rather be aborted than be raised in ghettos of any country. I've seen the hell that we live in, and often they just die of violence, drug overdose, or God only knows what anyway. Were they aborted they could have been spared all that suffering and died without sin like they were the Virgin Mary or something.

That's like a free ticket to Heaven. The Mother can still get to Heaven, because she just has to repent. The abortion Doctor might get to Heaven for saving souls and doing what is most compassionate and goes with what their conscience tells them is right.

Scripture says better Judas had never been born. It was terrible that he wasn't killed in the womb.

But yes, I believe life begins at conception. Once we start saying life doesn't begin at conception or that abortion isn't homicide, then we become more and more like the Soviet Union, because when life doesn't begin at conception, we are close to simply just saying there is no such thing as sentient beings or God to please through good deeds and avoiding bad ones, which I know can be a moral disaster, as I was extremely sociopathic as an atheist, and why wouldn't I be?

No one is pleased by my good deeds with the exception of the material people that benefit from them, and no one can consequence me for my bad deeds, as long as I hide them. And yes, that is terrible for society to go that way.

Please let me know why you agree or disagree. Thanks.

I want a free ticket to heaven. Yeah...really badly! So, abortion makes total sense. However, it's still homicide. And I wish people would be willing to admit that much.

I've seen images of an aborted baby with a nose, lips, open eyes gazing into the air. Yeah, that's a human and it's homicide. So, I'm not too fond of planned parenthood trying to say a human being isn't human. But I'm not too fond of these people like I used to be who pray in front of an abortion clinic to further traumatize and fill with guilt an extremely scared person making the most difficult decision she ever had to make.

If she keeps that kid it could ruin her life and the life of the child.

That's just depression and self-hatred. I grew up without a dad (he ran off in '96), grew up working class poor and my mom actually almost aborted me. I used to wish she did, but now I'm glad she didn't. Ultimately who you want to be in life is up to you, regardless of your circumstances.

 

[Spiderman]

Keep in mind people, I was saying that abortion can save souls according to Christian Theology.

It means the child dies sinless and goes before the judge spotless and pure as a lily.

That's a free ticket to paradise!

I didn't say Christianity is true however.

But I have seen children from broken homes, children without a Father, and life in the ghetto. It's hell and misery with a few exceptions to that rule. Many die of drug overdoses , become criminals, die in violence, and better off they just were spared all that.

Unwanted pregnancies are more likely to bring forth unhappy childhoods, irresponsible people, and sociopathic behaviors.

Many people getting the abortions are just not ready to raise a kid or have the ability to teach the kid how to be responsible. Yes, I would rather die than be born into the misery I have seen all around me.

But I'm learning to love the nightmare. If it's inevitable, might as well enjoy it!