Abortion can save many souls.

[Spiderman]

That's just depression and self-hatred. I grew up without a dad (he ran off in '96), grew up working class poor and my mom actually almost aborted me. I used to wish she did, but now I'm glad she didn't. Ultimately who you want to be in life is up to you, regardless of your circumstances.

Well then, you are an exception to that rule because I'm glad you were not aborted.

And in the OP I never said every Fatherless child should be aborted either. On the same token, I think Christians praying in front of these abortion clinics are further traumatizing a girl who doesn't want to be getting an abortion in the first place and just leaving her with greater guilt.

She just spared that baby a lot of suffering and possibly even saved it's soul. That's something none of those pro lifers want to confess to.

 

[The Hammer]

Ultimately who you want to be in life is up to you, regardless of your circumstances.

Facts

 

[The Hammer]

Well then, you are an exception to that rule because I'm glad you were not aborted

I am glad you weren't aborted, there are many things we could learn from one another.

Edit: A Wolf In My Heart

 

[Spiderman]

I am glad you weren't aborted, there are many things we could learn from one another.

Edit: A Wolf In My Heart

I have to go now but wolf is the most sacred animal in Shinto and the name in Shinto for God is "Kami" and the name in Shinto for wolf is "Okami".

I'll definately have a look at your page. Feel free to ask me any questions here or via PM. Okami bless and inspire you!

 

[Spiderman]

You don’t know who is the man in the video?

The anointed one!

 

[InChrist]

Well then, you are an exception to that rule because I'm glad you were not aborted.

And in the OP I never said every Fatherless child should be aborted either. On the same token, I think Christians praying in front of these abortion clinics are further traumatizing a girl who doesn't want to be getting an abortion in the first place and just leaving her with greater guilt.

She just spared that baby a lot of suffering and possibly even saved it's soul. That's something none of those pro lifers want to confess to.

It may be a direct entrance into heaven for the child, but on the part of the one(s) participating in killing the baby it is murder, an evil act in Gods sight.

BYW, many of those pro-life people praying outside of abortion clinics are ready to offer real love, support, and very practical help and resources to those pregnant women.

 

[1213]

...
I want a free ticket to heaven. Yeah...really badly! So, abortion makes total sense. ...

I don’t think there is any reason to believe aborted babies go automatically to heaven. Bible promises eternal life for righteous people. It may be that aborted person is not righteous.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

If killing everyone before they are born would be the correct solution, why would people be born at all?

Also, even if person chooses to be evil, he may have some good effect in the world. And I think it is good to give a chance also for those who are evil.

But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
Mat. 5:44-45

 

[The Hammer]

BYW, many of those pro-life people praying outside of abortion clinics are ready to offer real love, support, and very practical help and resources to those pregnant women.

They just won't provide financial assistance or push for any sort of legislation that helps mothers and struggling families.

Prayers and thoughts are useless in that instance.

 

[thomas t]

Legal also puts regulations in play for the practitioner. Decriminalization would do nothing to prevent back street abortion, on the contrary, it would allow anyone with a knitting needle to set up shop without fear of prosecution.

no, in Germany it's decrimininalzed and you can't offer back street abortions.
Providing unsafe services in criminalized.

 

[ChristineM]

no, in Germany it's decrimininalzed and you can't offer back street abortions.
Providing unsafe services in criminalized.

So partly decriminalised

Its not criminal to carry out an abortion if done in legally sanctioned premise by legally sanctioned doctors but is criminal if done illegally with a knitting needle.

 

[thomas t]

So partly decriminalised

yes of course.
I mean the hospitals and pharmacies that sell abortions under best circumstances are decriminalized.

The difference legal/ decriminalized abortion in developped countries, as I see it, sometimes boils down to mandatory waiting periods and mandatory counselling hours.

It's more difficult to have them as an obligation for the woman if abortion is legal.

In the poorer countries, it's different.
Sometimes good quality abortions, as sad as it may sound, can be more likely when abortion is legal because many say that once it is legal it must be accessible. The UN argue like this, if I remember right.
If it's just decriminalized, the UN don't say it has to be accessible.
This is at least how it used to be 10 years ago, citing from own memory.

 

[Jainarayan]

Christians have an inordinate propensity for thinking it’s all about them, and that everyone believes, or should believe as they do.

In Hindu beliefs for example, because life is not “one and done”, the soul of the aborted fetus will simply incarnate in another body, human or otherwise. It’s resetting the samsaric clock. The only thing to be gained is the convenience of the parents. The soul doesn’t go to Heaven because we don’t have that belief. How do we know it’s true? The same way Christians do... it’s in our scriptures. But now we have the question of who is right.

I would rather err on the side of caution that the body the soul incarnates into will could become another Jonas Salk or Welles Crowther. Who? A 24 year old guy who worked at the twin towers and helped get a dozen people to safety. A dozen families grateful that Welles Crowther was born.

 

[Heyo]

None, really. It is an arbitrary distinction mainly, I think, to ease the minds of those advocating for 'abortion rights'.

It may be arbitrary but it is convention. Anti abortionists like to break the conventions to appeal to emotion, calling a foetus a child (and pro abortionists counter with calling it "a clump of cells"). Both don't further a rational discussion.
(But then again, anti abortionists often don't want a rational discussion.)

 

[74x12]

Abortion is homicide, but homicide can be the nicest thing for a lot of people. My mother was told to terminate the pregnancy because she was in medical school when pregnant with me, and it was a huge inconvenience.

I've told her multiple times she made the wrong decision choosing life. Eventually she said, "I know".

I have done some good things, but a lot of Christians think I'm going to hell anyways. Some people don't have an ounce of human decency, and not having responsible parents or a Father can lead to sociopathic tendancies.

I don't know what the results of studies have been and I could care less at this point , because you can find studies that say completely opposite things about the same topic. What I do know is I have seen people who fill the prison systems and they are often people who didn't have responsible parents, people without a Father, orphans, unwanted pregnancies, and people born into poverty.

I know I would rather be aborted than be raised in ghettos of any country. I've seen the hell that we live in, and often they just die of violence, drug overdose, or God only knows what anyway. Were they aborted they could have been spared all that suffering and died without sin like they were the Virgin Mary or something.

That's like a free ticket to Heaven. The Mother can still get to Heaven, because she just has to repent. The abortion Doctor might get to Heaven for saving souls and doing what is most compassionate and goes with what their conscience tells them is right.

Scripture says better Judas had never been born. It was terrible that he wasn't killed in the womb.

But yes, I believe life begins at conception. Once we start saying life doesn't begin at conception or that abortion isn't homicide, then we become more and more like the Soviet Union, because when life doesn't begin at conception, we are close to simply just saying there is no such thing as sentient beings or God to please through good deeds and avoiding bad ones, which I know can be a moral disaster, as I was extremely sociopathic as an atheist, and why wouldn't I be?

No one is pleased by my good deeds with the exception of the material people that benefit from them, and no one can consequence me for my bad deeds, as long as I hide them. And yes, that is terrible for society to go that way.

Please let me know why you agree or disagree. Thanks.

I want a free ticket to heaven. Yeah...really badly! So, abortion makes total sense. However, it's still homicide. And I wish people would be willing to admit that much.

I've seen images of an aborted baby with a nose, lips, open eyes gazing into the air. Yeah, that's a human and it's homicide. So, I'm not too fond of planned parenthood trying to say a human being isn't human. But I'm not too fond of these people like I used to be who pray in front of an abortion clinic to further traumatize and fill with guilt an extremely scared person making the most difficult decision she ever had to make.

If she keeps that kid it could ruin her life and the life of the child.

I've thought of this before myself and although I think aborted children are better off because as you point out they die without sin. Yet ... on the other hand we can't condone or support shedding innocent blood. As even though Saul was basically a bad person yet in 1 Chronicles 10:4 this guy was terrified to kill Saul even though Saul asked for it.

 

[Spiderman]

What you Christians are forgetting is that the baby can die sinless but the mother gets to go to heaven if she simply repents.

Also, I don't advocate wiping out the average baby.

I encourage women to keep their children actually. I believe life begins at conception. I'm saying, if the Father has gotten the woman pregnant, and the woman is irresponsible, immature, and the Father abandones her, that child is at high risk for all sorts of misery and criminal behavior.

It is merciful to that child and his/her mother to send them to heaven without all this suffering and falling into sin.

 

[InChrist]

They just won't provide financial assistance or push for any sort of legislation that helps mothers and struggling families.

Prayers and thoughts are useless in that instance.

I said practical support and resources are offered, not only thoughts and prayers.

“There was … research done in 2018 and it said 49% of women who had abortions … did so, not because they believed abortion was their best option — they did so because they thought it was their only option,” she said. “The people this is affecting don’t feel like they have a choice.”

But when pregnancy resource centers step in and offer options and help for housing, jobs and other needs, things start to change.

“When we start to lay out that path for them, then they don’t want abortion,” Marten said.”

Pro-life leader dispels myths about crisis pregnancy centers - The Christian Post

 

[The Hammer]

But when pregnancy resource centers step in and offer options and help for housing, jobs and other needs, things start to change.

While this is all well and good. This goes to show the biggest issue is wealth disparity. So I stead of focusing on preventing abortions by praying outside of clinics we need to ramp up all Social Services and increase their funding.

The problem is getting lobbyists and the rest of republicans on board with that.

 

[74x12]

What you Christians are forgetting is that the baby can die sinless but the mother gets to go to heaven if she simply repents.

Also, I don't advocate wiping out the average baby.

I encourage women to keep their children actually. I believe life begins at conception. I'm saying, if the Father has gotten the woman pregnant, and the woman is irresponsible, immature, and the Father abandones her, that child is at high risk for all sorts of misery and criminal behavior.

It is merciful to that child and his/her mother to send them to heaven without all this suffering and falling into sin.

What if they would have lived a good life and contributed to the world? You don't know.

 

[Spiderman]

What if they would have lived a good life and contributed to the world? You don't know.

Some will have. But it's also clear that there is a correlation between broken homes without a responsible Father and crime.

There are exceptions to every rule but those children often go through terrible suffering, are bullied, are jealous of others, are exploited, are more likely to do drugs, more likely to fall into certain things considered sexual sins, and more likely to become victims of all kinds of things like cults, regimes, the porn industry, and beyond.

If you want a Spiritually healthy child, how the child is raised plays a huge role in the likelihood of that child being in good standing with Christian morality.

The odds are against the child, so if Yahweh tosses people in a lake of fire, might as well be on the safe side.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Abortion is homicide. My mother was told to terminate the pregnancy because she was in medical school when pregnant with me, and it was a huge inconvenience.

I've told her multiple times she made the wrong decision choosing life. Eventually she said, "I know".

I have done some good things, but a lot of Christians think I'm going to hell anyways. Some people don't have an ounce of human decency, and not having responsible parents or a Father can lead to sociopathic tendancies.

I don't know what the results of studies have been and I could care less at this point , because you can find studies that say completely opposite things about the same topic. What I do know is I have seen people who fill the prison systems and they are often people who didn't have responsible parents, people without a Father, orphans, unwanted pregnancies, and people born into poverty.

I know I would rather be aborted than be raised in ghettos of any country. I've seen the hell that we live in, and often they just die of violence, drug overdose, or God only knows what anyway. Were they aborted they could have been spared all that suffering and died without sin like they were the Virgin Mary or something.

That's like a free ticket to Heaven. The Mother can still get to Heaven, because she just has to repent. The abortion Doctor might get to Heaven for saving souls and doing what is most compassionate and goes with what their conscience tells them is right.

Scripture says better Judas had never been born. It was terrible that he wasn't killed in the womb.

But yes, I believe life begins at conception. Once we start saying life doesn't begin at conception or that abortion isn't homicide, then we become more and more like the Soviet Union, because when life doesn't begin at conception, we are close to simply just saying there is no such thing as sentient beings or God to please through good deeds and avoiding bad ones, which I know can be a moral disaster, as I was extremely sociopathic as an atheist, and why wouldn't I be?

No one is pleased by my good deeds with the exception of the material people that benefit from them, and no one can consequence me for my bad deeds, as long as I hide them. And yes, that is terrible for society to go that way.

Please let me know why you agree or disagree. Thanks.

I want a free ticket to heaven. Yeah...really badly! So, abortion makes total sense. However, it's still homicide. And I wish people would be willing to admit that much.

I've seen images of an aborted baby with a nose, lips, open eyes gazing into the air. Yeah, that's a human and it's homicide. So, I'm not too fond of planned parenthood trying to say a human being isn't human. But I'm not too fond of these people like I used to be who pray in front of an abortion clinic to further traumatize and fill with guilt an extremely scared person making the most difficult decision she ever had to make.

If she keeps that kid it could ruin her life and the life of the child.

I could only read the first three lines before becoming too disgusted to read on.