Abortion hurts women!

[Spiderman]

Do you support state legislation to prevent people making decisions which might cause mental harm usually, or only in this specific case?

Not usually. I never voted last election btw. I have met many good and disgusting people on the right and left. I sympathize with liberal views.

However, I'm deeply troubled that over a million innocent defenseless Americans are murdered every year legally. My gut and conscience tells me it is very wrong!

 

[Polymath257]

At what point does a fetus become a human being?

When the brain is developed enough to feel pain?

 

[Polymath257]

So if I punch a woman in the uterus hard enough to kill the fetus, is a woman mistaken in accusing me of murdering her unborn child?

Are you glad your mother never aborted you?

Yes, she is mistaken in saying you committed murder. You assaulted her, but you did not murder a person.

I am glad my mother had a *choice* of whether to give birth or not.

 

[Spiderman]

So cherry picking weak verses from the Bible. And I don't think that abortion is beautiful. It is a sad, but sometimes necessary procedure.

And opting for legalized abortion is hardly a "liberal" view. It is merely a moral one. I find that the moral harm caused by making abortions illegal or even hard to obtain far worse than the moral harm of abortion itself.

I see abortion as sometimes a necessity and necessary evil. But still see it as intrinsically sick!

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see abortion as sometimes a necessity and necessary evil. But still see it as intrinsically sick!

That is only because of your unsupported belief that a fetus is a baby. Ideally when a couple gets pregnant they hope and plan for a baby. Losing that fetus is close to being as bad as losing an actual child. But even in late term miscarriages I am betting that the parents recover much more quickly than if a baby had been actually born and have it die later.

I am not advocating handing out abortions like lollipops, but I do not think that it is murder either. This is a bit of a gray area. Not everything in the world is yes/no.

 

[SomeRandom]

Hmm, pro life people condemn, shame and emotionally abuse women who have abortions. Wonders why women who have an abortion suffers from mental issues. Seems legit.

 

[Spiderman]

I guess it sounds loony, but through much prayer and meditation, I've come to firmly believe those millions of babies have an immortal soul and deserve a chance at life. I believe it is a serious crime against the baby and it's maker to kill it.

It's a sad world. For those who don't believe in God, I can both understand why you don't and why you are pro choice. But I can't help but be deeply troubled by how many millions of people are slain by abortion

 

[Spiderman]

Hmm, pro life people condemn, shame and emotionally abuse women who have abortions. Wonders why women who have an abortion suffers from mental issues. Seems legit.

Since I believe that baby was human I think at least a mother can apologize to the spirit of the murdered infant. I believe one day they will meet.

I love women who had abortion. I believe they were lied to, did not know what they were doing, were not at fault, and were faced with a difficult choice and circumstance I would not wish on my worst enemy.

 

[SomeRandom]

I guess it sounds loony, but through much prayer and meditation, I've come to firmly believe those millions of babies have an immortal soul and deserve a chance at life. I believe it is a serious crime against the baby and it's maker to kill it.

It's a sad world. For those who don't believe in God, I can both understand why you don't and why you are pro choice. But I can't help but be deeply troubled by how many millions of people are slain by abortion

Umm I'm a "soft" theist, Hindus don't really have a proper equivalent for Atheism, not in the Abrahamic sense anyway. (Though people are certainly free to label themselves as such.) And I never said I wasn't against abortion on a personal, ethical level. I just don't happen to believe in condemning another women who has to face an agonising choice you will never have to as a "murderer." Which I believe is shameful for a man to say. It's dishonourable behaviour IMO. I don't believe in bullying a woman for having an abortion and then claiming to care about her when it's found she has a higher risk of mental issues as a result. Such intellectual cowardice and dishonesty. I expect better from you, sir. I also don't believe in restricting that choice for other people. Such a thing is abhorrent to me.

As for the millions of fetuses well consider this, they are but a fraction of potential sperm to ovam insemination. Already there were millions of sperm that didn't make it. Then spontaneous abortions are a thing. Not everything that has the potential to live, does. That's just how nature works. And if a woman decides that it's the right option for her at the time to have an abortion, then so be it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Since I believe that baby was human I think at least a mother can apologize to the spirit of the murdered infant. I believe one day they will meet.

I love women who had abortion. I believe they were lied to, did not know what they were doing, were not at fault, and were faced with a difficult choice and circumstance I would not wish on my worst enemy.

It's all a matter of perspective. You have some premises based upon how you feel, & some
religious beliefs. This is fine, except when used as a basis to impose restrictions upon others.
Imposing restrictions....this is something which requires input from & compromise between
many others with differing philosophies. A problem arises when calling abortion "murder".
We widely agree that murder is wrong...but most agree that abortion should be legal.
This points to your having a contradiction to ponder.

 

[SomeRandom]

Since I believe that baby was human I think at least a mother can apologize to the spirit of the murdered infant. I believe one day they will meet.

I love women who had abortion. I believe they were lied to, did not know what they were doing, were not at fault, and were faced with a difficult choice and circumstance I would not wish on my worst enemy.

"Love women?" If a loved one called me a murderer I'd punch them in the face. Such despicable acts masquerading as love. Smh
Also can I point out just how cowardly it is to psychologically abuse a woman in such a vulnerable position? And then to say that you love said woman, you sound like a domestic abuser, for crying out loud.

 

[sun rise]

At what point does a fetus become a human being?

Since I believe in the soul, when the soul enters the developing fetus. Since we can't know that, my answer is at viability which is 21-22 weeks.

 

[Spiderman]

"Love women?" If a loved one called me a murderer I'd punch them in the face. Such despicable acts masquerading as love. Smh
Also can I point out just how cowardly it is to psychologically abuse a woman in such a vulnerable position? And then to say that you love said woman, you sound like a domestic abuser, for crying out loud.

It is murder. I'm simply pointing out an obvious fact. If your mother aborted you while you were in the womb you would be dead. I'm willing to be punched in the face for calling murder what it is. I've been punched for much less Noble things.

A friend of women doesn't convince a mother it is okay to have her children put to death. I realize I'm doing women a greater service by pointing out the obvious facts and possibly persuading one person to avoid killing another human being.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is murder. I'm simply pointing out an obvious fact.

It's an opinion.

 

[SomeRandom]

It is murder. I'm simply pointing out an obvious fact

Opinion. Law disagrees with you.

If your mother aborted you while you were in the womb you would be dead.

And if my mother was a goose I wouldn't be human. What does that have to do with anything?
If my mother aborted me, I would not exist, hence I could not reasonably be expected to care one way or another. Some believe that such a soul, existence, consciousness whatever simply bypasses this cruel joke we call life to go straight to heaven. Some think it merely goes back into the samsara. Others say the endless void. Either way, it can't know any different so it doesn't affect it. Why care about what ifs?

I I'm willing to be punched in the face for calling murder what it is. I've been punched for much less Noble things.

Calling a woman who has been forced to endure a excruciating decision a "murderer" is many things. None of them noble.

A friend of women doesn't convince a mother it is okay to have her children put to death. I realize I'm doing women a greater service by pointing out the obvious facts and possibly persuading one person to avoid killing another human being.

You're psychologically bullying and emotionally manipulating a woman into giving birth regardless of their specific circumstances. (Poverty, rape, health risks to either fetus or mother or both etc) And you have the absolute gall to claim it is in her best interests. What about the actual realty of raising the kid? What about the trauma a rape victim has to go through looking at a reminder of their attack? No, you are enslaving women to bend to your personal will and have convinced yourself (as many dangerous heinous men have in the past) that it is somehow a holy goal..That you, above all else, have the right to not only decide what is best for another person (like they're some sort of helpless child and you, not them, know what's best for them, condescending much?) but that you're doing so on behalf of a God. A sanctimonious excuse by which you hide behind, like a coward.
You treat them like they are lesser beings, that they simply don't know the right way and you, like some sort of God like being, have the right to dictate to her the "correct way" like you're their parent. That is not love, that is not respect. That is dehumanizing, dishonorable and disgusting treatment of a fellow human being.

You want to play the appeal to emotions, I can do that too, my good sir.

 

[Spiderman]

Rape and incest accounts for less than one percent of abortions. I believe abortion is the lesser of two evils in this rare circumstance but is still evil. It is one human killing another. That is the definition of homicide. Because someone was raped does that give them the right to have an innocent person killed?

The mother doesn't have to raise the child.

I never thought I'd start a thread like this and didn't want to but I'm deeply troubled by how many babies are slain by abortion.

Women will realize that was their son/daughter. It's obvious.

I'm not trying to shame anyone. I'm simply calling homicide what it is.

I am trying to discourage abortion. There's a difference.

 

[Spiderman]

Opinion. Law disagrees with you.


And if my mother was a goose I wouldn't be human. What does that have to do with anything?
If my mother aborted me, I would not exist, hence I could not reasonably be expected to care one way or another. Some believe that such a soul, existence, consciousness whatever simply bypasses this cruel joke we call life to go straight to heaven. Some think it merely goes back into the samsara. Others say the endless void. Either way, it can't know any different so it doesn't affect it. Why care about what ifs?


Calling a woman who has been forced to endure a excruciating decision a "murderer" is many things. None of them noble.


You're psychologically bullying and emotionally manipulating a woman into giving birth regardless of their specific circumstances. (Poverty, rape, health risks to either fetus or mother or both etc) And you have the absolute gall to claim it is in her best interests. What about the actual realty of raising the kid? What about the trauma a rape victim has to go through looking at a reminder of their attack? No, you are enslaving women to bend to your personal will and have convinced yourself (as many dangerous heinous men have in the past) that it is somehow a holy goal. That you, above all else, have the right to not only decide what is best for another person (like they're some sort of helpless child and you, not them, know what's best for them, condescending much?) but that you're doing so on behalf of a God. A sanctimonious excuse by which you hide behind, like a coward.

You want to play the appeal to emotions, I can do that too, my good sir.

You defend the killing of a defenseless innocent baby and call me a coward. Interesting

 

[SomeRandom]

You defend the killing of a defenseless innocent baby and call me a coward. Interesting

You attack a woman deciding whether or not to have an abortion, already emotionally and psychologically vulnerable because of such a circumstance, with psychological scare tactics and outright emotional bullying and yet you're not a coward? Interesting.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Anyone ever calculate how a woman is harmed physically and mentally when she has more children than she can care for? Children are mistreated and even killed when a woman is overcome by the need to care for a large number of children.

 

[Spiderman]

I simply said give the child a name and apologize to it. The spirit of the child can still be present looking out for mom, and in my Catholic faith they will one day be reunited.