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Abortion is beautiful

Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I got into it recently with a Catholic Apologist last night and the words "Abortion is beautiful" just came out of my mouth like an involuntary discharge of vomit! You know those times where it seems like the spirit speaks through you and something just wells up in you and you have to speak it? Well, it felt like that.

Let me ask you (If you are one of those people that believes that unbelievers and certain sinners will be tortured for all eternity) Can abortion save a soul from such torment? Well, for those people, abortion was beautiful because it spared them an eternity of misery.

Also, seeing the suffering I've seen in the mentally ill, sexually abused, sex-offenders, those in chronic physical pain, sociopaths, religious fanatics, suicides, the paranoid, those with PTSD, epileptics, and those who constantly hurt others, it seems for certain people, they suffer too much or they inflict too much suffering on others, and for them, abortion would be a beautiful thing.

Now, you might be sick and afflicted, I'm not saying you should have been aborted, but I'm saying, with the suffering I have seen, and the amount of people I've known in jails and institutions that just hurt others and cost enormous tax-payers dollars, abortion would have been the best thing for them and others.

My post is mainly aimed at the pro-lifers who usually believe in a Hell of eternal torment. I think they should admit the fact that it is a beautiful thing for certain people to die innocent and that abortion can indeed save a soul from Hell.

So, maybe God actually wills that certain people be aborted. God did kill an enormous amount of people and babies in Scripture. He even killed someone for something as little as steadying the Ark of the covenant. He also flooded the globe, killing all kinds of babies and fetuses. How do we know he doesn't use abortion Doctors to do some of his dirty work and kill people while their innocent to save them from an eternity of torture in Hell and a life of suffering??
 
viole

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
PopeADope said:
I got into it recently with a Catholic Apologist last night and the words "Abortion is beautiful" just came out of my mouth like an involuntary discharge of vomit! You know those times where it seems like the spirit speaks through you and something just wells up in you and you have to speak it? Well, it felt like that.

Let me ask you (If you are one of those people that believes that unbelievers and certain sinners will be tortured for all eternity) Can abortion save a soul from such torment? Well, for those people, abortion was beautiful because it spared them an eternity of misery.

Also, seeing the suffering I've seen in the mentally ill, sexually abused, sex-offenders, those in chronic physical pain, sociopaths, religious fanatics, suicides, the paranoid, those with PTSD, epileptics, and those who constantly hurt others, it seems for certain people, they suffer too much or they inflict too much suffering on others, and for them, abortion would be a beautiful thing.

Now, you might be sick and afflicted, I'm not saying you should have been aborted, but I'm saying, with the suffering I have seen, and the amount of people I've known in jails and institutions that just hurt others and cost enormous tax-payers dollars, abortion would have been the best thing for them and others.

My post is mainly aimed at the pro-lifers who usually believe in a Hell of eternal torment. I think they should admit the fact that it is a beautiful thing for certain people to die innocent and that abortion can indeed save a soul from Hell.

So, maybe God actually wills that certain people be aborted. God did kill an enormous amount of people and babies in Scripture. He even killed someone for something as little as steadying the Ark of the covenant. He also flooded the globe, killing all kinds of babies and fetuses. How do we know he doesn't use abortion Doctors to do some of his dirty work and kill people while their innocent to save them from an eternity of torture in Hell and a life of suffering??
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I have to say that your conclusion is logically impeccable, under the mentioned premises.

It is indeed rational, if a sinful life increases the odds of an eternity of torment, to wish to die as soon as possible.

The conditional probabilities involved guarantee a non zero win. Not only it is non zero. It is infinitely high.

You basically can only win.

Ciao

- viole
 
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Jeremiahcp

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
Just think how much easier this would be if we were not trying to fit it all in the context of an incomprehensible god. I mean you could just stop at "suffering sucks butt" and that would be the end of it.
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
viole said:
I have to say that your conclusionis logically impeccable, under the mentioned premises.

It is indeed rational, if a sinful life increases the odds of an eternity of torment, to wish to die as soon as possible.

The conditional probabilities involved guarantee a non zero win. Not only it is non zero. It is infinitely high.

You basically can only win.

Ciao

- viole
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Amen, Sister! :)
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
PopeADope said:
I got into it recently with a Catholic Apologist last night and the words "Abortion is beautiful" just came out of my mouth like an involuntary discharge of vomit!
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Not surprising it seemed to come out of your mouth like vomit. Sounds like a thought inspired by a murderous demonic spirit. You do have a choice to submit the thoughts that come into your mind to God. .. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ (2 Corinthians 10:4-5)

It kind of makes your thread about desiring the grace to be one in mind, heart, and will with God seem pretty insincere.
 
Nous

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
PopeADope said:
. . .unbelievers and certain sinners will be tortured for all eternity . . .
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That proposition seems to be the sine qua non of religion for you, no? If you did not assume that proposition to be true, you would not have any conflict or conundrum relating to religion or God. Is that correct?
 
Mindmaster

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
PopeADope said:
I got into it recently with a Catholic Apologist last night and the words "Abortion is beautiful" just came out of my mouth like an involuntary discharge of vomit! You know those times where it seems like the spirit speaks through you and something just wells up in you and you have to speak it? Well, it felt like that.

Let me ask you (If you are one of those people that believes that unbelievers and certain sinners will be tortured for all eternity) Can abortion save a soul from such torment? Well, for those people, abortion was beautiful because it spared them an eternity of misery.
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If we're going "buy the books" at least in Catholicism the concern was that aborted babies went to limbo, since they were unbaptized. Generally, this was considered a fate worse than hell... However, recently the church decided to reverse that idea because it seemed cruel.

Anyway, if you're leaning on historical Catholicism the verdict is pretty clear and there isn't much tolerance for reinterpretation.
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Mindmaster said:
If we're going "buy the books" at least in Catholicism the concern was that aborted babies went to limbo, since they were unbaptized. Generally, this was considered a fate worse than hell... However, recently the church decided to reverse that idea because it seemed cruel.

Anyway, if you're leaning on historical Catholicism the verdict is pretty clear and there isn't much tolerance for reinterpretation.
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I don't believe in the limbo theory. God can baptize anyone including a fetus. The Church never taught limbo as a Doctrine, and I totally reject such an irrational teaching!
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Nous said:
That proposition seems to be the sine qua non of religion for you, no? If you did not assume that proposition to be true, you would not have any conflict or conundrum relating to religion or God. Is that correct?
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I don't consider that belief to be true. It is completely irrational, uncharitable, and the epitome of unjust to have people tortured forever.

What I find heartbreaking and disgusting is that it seems to be what the majority of Christians believe. I believe God will purify everyone. I think the lake of Fire mentioned was symbolic of a place where purification takes place. Gold can be purified through fire and God talks about purifying his people as gold is purified in a furnace.

Zechariah 13:9 ►
This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold.
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
columbus said:
Another pro-life atheist here.

I see plenty of reasons to believe that parents killing their offspring degrades the human situation without believing that God cares about it at all.
Tom
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Children from dysfunctional families and unwanted pregnancies can wind up degrading the human situation far worse. I've seen it. All I'm saying is that there are many cases where abortion is the kindest thing for the fetus and for society!

However, I've always admired pro-life Atheists! :)
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
InChrist said:
Not surprising it seemed to come out of your mouth like vomit. Sounds like a thought inspired by a murderous demonic spirit. You do have a choice to submit the thoughts that come into your mind to God. .. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ (2 Corinthians 10:4-5)

It kind of makes your thread about desiring the grace to be one in mind, heart, and will with God seem pretty insincere.
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My post was very sincere. I want to be one in mind, heart, and will with God. I showed you why I think God sometimes uses abortion Doctors as instruments of his mercy.

God killed a lot of babies in the Scriptures.

Now please answer me, can abortion save the soul of a fetus?
 
C

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
PopeADope said:
Children from dysfunctional families and unwanted pregnancies can wind up degrading the human situation far worse.
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Not due to their existence. It's due to poor parenting, bad learning, lack of treatment for mental problems or similar issues.
The fundamental cause remains irresponsible behavior, not the human being that results.
Tom
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
columbus said:
Not due to their existence. It's due to poor parenting, bad learning, lack of treatment for mental problems or similar issues.
The fundamental cause remains irresponsible behavior, not the human being that results.
Tom
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I would rather be aborted than be an unwanted pregnancy. I don't think the average girl that gets an abortion wants an abortion, but she is not equipped to Mother a child (Not to mention the male has often left her, and it can harm a child to not have a Father figure. Ted Bundy was born out of wedlock. His Mother lied to him and said his grandparents were his mom and Dad to hide his illegitimacy. Imagine the heartache it would have saved so many people if His Mother just got an abortion?)

But I respect your views. They have merit and it is rare to see a pro-life Atheist. I find your views to be noble, I just disagree. I've seen too much suffering and too many people that would be better off aborted.
 
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