About America And Guns.

[esmith]

All the more unnecessary, then.
A lot of people would really enjoy blowing things up, too. Or they would if they were allowed to do it. But they aren't allowed to do it because it's dangerous, and stupid, and unnecessary. Take up paint-ball warfare, instead.
Well, clearly that isn't true since we are killing ourselves and each other with firearms at an alarming rate. Many thousands per year! And that's the problem. We are not keeping them from the people who should not have them.

Well it seems that we are at an impasse. Until you want to discuss laws governing the purchase and possession of a firearm I see no use to continue.

 

[PureX]

Well it seems that we are at an impasse. Until you want to discuss laws governing the purchase and possession of a firearm I see no use to continue.

I have discussed such laws. They would follow the model we have for regulating the ownership an use of other deadly machinery, such as motorized vehicles: education, practical training, testing, vetting, licensing, vigilance, and strict enforcement. It's not rocket science, and it's not infallible. But it would be very effective in limiting the number of Americans that are killed every year by firearms, and it would allow people who want to own firearms, and are able to be trusted to do so, responsibly, to have them.

 

[Stanyon]

It is estimated that less than %1 of legally owned firearms are ever used in a crime. Straw purchasers commit a felony when they transfer a firearm to a known felon.

 

[esmith]

I have discussed such laws. They would follow the model we have for regulating the ownership an use of other deadly machinery, such as motorized vehicles: education, practical training, testing, vetting, licensing, vigilance, and strict enforcement. It's not rocket science, and it's not infallible. But it would be very effective in limiting the number of Americans that are killed every year by firearms, and it would allow people who want to own firearms, and are able to be trusted to do so, responsibly, to have them.

Explain in detail how you would implement each of the above ideas, including especially the "who". We already have "strict enforcement".

So you say that your ideas would limit the number of Americans that die from firearms. Do you even have a clue what is the major reason for gun deaths in the US are? Give you a hint, it isn't homicides, nor accidents and the remaining reason accounts for 60%.....suicide. Why don't you and your advocates focus on why, I'm sure that my side of the issue would be willing to help.

 

[PureX]

It is estimated that less than %1 of legally owned firearms are ever used in a crime. Straw purchasers commit a felony when they transfer a firearm to a known felon.

This really misses the point, however. And that is that we are doing next to nothing to keep the people who should not have access to firearms from getting them. And as a result we have billions of guns out there, many of them super-deadly assault type weapons, and many of them in the hands of drunks, drug addicts, wife-beaters, child-abusers, stalkers, ragers, bar-fighters, sociopaths, psychopaths, ideological extremists, emotional toddlers, and emotionally unstable people of all sorts. And they are using these guns to kill themselves, their 'loved ones', their neighbors, strangers, and whomever happens to get in the way of their crazy-train.

This is the real issue: how to keep the guns away from the people that should not have them.

 

[esmith]

This really misses the point, however. And that is that we are doing next to nothing to keep the people who should not have access to firearms from getting them. And as a result we have billions of guns out there, many of them super-deadly assault type weapons, and many of them in the hands of drunks, drug addicts, wife-beaters, child-abusers, stalkers, ragers, bar-fighters, sociopaths, psychopaths, ideological extremists, emotional toddlers, and emotionally unstable people of all sorts. And they are using these guns to kill themselves, their 'loved ones', their neighbors, strangers, and whomever happens to get in the way of their crazy-train.

This is the real issue: how to keep the guns away from the people that should not have them.

What are your exact means of determining how one is eligible to own a firearm? Also do you advocate confiscating firearms from those that you deem unacceptable?
You seem to have a lot of " I want this" without supplying the answers to how and whom. Typical

 

[PureX]

What are your exact means of determining how one is eligible to own a firearm? Also do you advocate confiscating firearms from those that you deem unacceptable?
You seem to have a lot of " I want this" without supplying the answers to how and whom. Typical

And you're intent on burying the problem in minutia to create the impression that it's impossible to solve it via regulation.

We can regulate firearm ownership and use similar to the way we regulate motor vehicle ownership and use. We license it, with strict requirements for obtaining specific various levels of licensing: for gun collectors, for long guns for hunting, pistols for home protection, pistols for conceal-carry, etc.,.. Those requirements including education, training, testing, vetting, and continued oversight. The intent being to deny firearms license to people who show themselves to be physically, mentally, emotionally, or otherwise incapable of fulfilling the responsibilities inherent to firearm ownership and use within our society. And, of course, for this kind of regulation to work, we would have to enforce it, rigorously. If you own guns now, and you want to legally keep them, you would have to get a license to do so, and register them all. Or you would have to get rid of them.

 

[esmith]

And you're intent on burying the problem in minutia to create the impression that it's impossible to solve it via regulation.

We can regulate firearm ownership and use similar to the way we regulate motor vehicle ownership and use. We license it, with strict requirements for obtaining specific various levels of licensing: for gun collectors, for long guns for hunting, pistols for home protection, pistols for conceal-carry, etc.,.. Those requirements including education, training, testing, vetting, and continued oversight. The intent being to deny firearms license to people who show themselves to be physically, mentally, emotionally, or otherwise incapable of fulfilling the responsibilities inherent to firearm ownership and use within our society. And, of course, for this kind of regulation to work, we would have to enforce it, rigorously. If you own guns now, and you want to legally keep them, you would have to get a license to do so, and register them all. Or you would have to get rid of them.

Again who do you want to make the decision to "deny firearms license to people who show themselves to be physically, mentally, emotionally, or otherwise incapable of fulfilling the responsibilities inherent to firearm ownership and use within our society." I suppose in your world it would be those that have little or no knowledge in the subject.

So, you seem to be advocating for the confiscation of all firearms. If so, I suggest you move to a country that is under the control of a dictator.

 

[Revoltingest]

Funny item in the news....
VIDEO: Hollywood actress attends anti-gun protest - with armed guards - The American Mirror

Actress Alyssa Milano attended an anti-NRA protest in downtown Dallas today — and she did it surrounded by armed guards.

In video captured by Ben Howe, NRA member Will Haraway asked Milano’s security if he was armed and the man clearly wasn’t amused by the question.

“I’m going to ask you to leave,” the guard said repeatedly, physically backing Haraway up by getting in his face.

“How far do I have to go?” Haraway asked.

I guess one must obey the lawful order of a celebrity's armed rent-a-cop, eh.