About blaming God.

[Spirit of Light]

I wonder about one thing.

Why do some people blame God, Buddha, and so on, when something goes wrong in their life, or they do not understand something in a religious/spiritual setting. then they blame God for not doing the right thing for them??

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

The Abrahamic religious texts sometimes are worded in such a way they cause a perception in others of God having immeasurable love. People then experience hardships in their life, and question what exactly is going on with God.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The Abrahamic religious texts sometimes are worded in such a way they cause a perception in others of God having immeasurable love. People then experience hardships in their life, and question what exactly is going on with God.

But even if a God has immense compassion toward human beings, would it not still be the human being who would have to change his or her way of thinking, acting, or speaking so to better once own life? or so some people look at God as their own private server?

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

But even if a God has immense compassion toward human beings, would it not still be the human being who would have to change his or her way of thinking, acting, or speaking so to better once own life? or so some people look at God as their own private server?

Hard to say, I'm not sure how to answer. My current understanding of my Hindu stories suggests the answer to the whole thread is pretty much that it's complicated, and that a magic wave of the wand isn't just usually going to happen.

 

[Heyo]

"With great power comes great responsibility." - Uncle Ben

If god is all powerful, it is all responsible.

 

[osgart]

Some Gods are merely human constructs that do not seem relevant to reality.

In the case of an omniscient God I am inclined to see one as non effective from what I see in the world.

I have nothing against Buddha.

 

[Spirit of Light]

"With great power comes great responsibility." - Uncle Ben

If god is all powerful, it is all responsible.

Does that indicate that you are not responsible for your own action, words, or thoughts? That no matter what goes wrong in your life God is to be blamed?

 

[Samael_Khan]

I wonder about one thing.

Why do some people blame God, Buddha, and so on, when something goes wrong in their life, or they do not understand something in a religious/spiritual setting. then they blame God for not doing the right thing for them??

The alternative is also true, that people attribute all the good things to God but then ignore the bad that happens. For instance, lets say that two children get knocked over by a car and get sent to hospital, and both of them have different parents. Lets say that only one survives. The parents of the survivor will say that God is good because he saved their child, ignoring that the other wasn't saved. The parents of the deceased child might blame God for their child death as if God has a vendetta against them.

In reality both of them are assuming God's influence for, in my mind, these two reasons:

- The parents who say God is good want to feel special as if they are in God's favour or have a relationship with him. I think this is twisted because firstly they are ignoring the point that is "why did God not prevent the child from being knocked over in the first place?". Secondly, they aren't showing appreciation to the doctors who are actually responsible for the childs survival.

- The parents who accuse God of wronging them want to blame someone, possibly deflecting accusation from those who are actually to blame. For instance, it might have been their fault that the child was alone when crossing the road. Also, their outlook might also be the result of a persecution complex as they don't want to take responsibility for their lives. Additionally they could be suffering from extreme grief which causes them to say such things.

The book of Job actually deals with the topic quite well from a believers perspective. But in that case, God knew what was going to happen was a bystander.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The alternative is also true, that people attribute all the good things to God but then ignore the bad that happens. For instance, lets say that two children get knocked over by a car and get sent to hospital, and both of them have different parents. Lets say that only one survives. The parents of the survivor will say that God is good because he saved their child, ignoring that the other wasn't saved. The parents of the deceased child might blame God for their child death as if God has a vendetta against them.

In reality both of them are assuming God's influence for, in my mind, these two reasons:

- The parents who say God is good want to feel special as if they are in God's favour or have a relationship with him. I think this is twisted because firstly they are ignoring the point that is "why did God not prevent the child from being knocked over in the first place?". Secondly, they aren't showing appreciation to the doctors who are actually responsible for the childs survival.

- The parents who accuse God of wronging them want to blame someone, possibly deflecting accusation from those who are actually to blame. For instance, it might have been their fault that the child was alone when crossing the road. Also, their outlook might also be the result of a persecution complex as they don't want to take responsibility for their lives. Additionally they could be suffering from extreme grief which causes them to say such things.

The book of Job actually deals with the topic quite well from a believers perspective. But in that case, God knew what was going to happen and he was a bystander.

Thank you for a very good explanation of how you see the issue of the OP

 

[Sunstone]

I blame today's young people.
I don't care what the issue is, I blame the 'kids'.


They can get off my lawn while they're at it, too.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I blame today's young people.
I don't care what the issue is, I blame the 'kids'.


They can get off my lawn while they're at it, too.

Do you have a fence around your lawn

 

[Sunstone]

Seriously, to blame god assumes one thinks that one is not god, does it not? That is, I suppose you could blame god even if you thought you yourself were ultimately god, but I don't see why you would feel an emotional need or desire to do so. To feel there is some value or worth in blaming god, it would seem necessary to believe god was 'other'.

 

[osgart]

I will say that some Gods hold condemnation power over all humanity when in fact they have no such relevance.

I think every person condemns themselves not to do good when good presents itself. The false pride makes blind the heart. A lot of people are always right in their own eyes with false pride when they are in err. Humility teaches the ways of good. Haughtiness, and self deception make one blind. God has nothing to do with that.

I see nothing mysterious about doing good. Nothing mysterious about right and wrong on matters of good and evil.

 

[Heyo]

Does that indicate that you are not responsible for your own action, words, or thoughts? That no matter what goes wrong in your life God is to be blamed?

I don't believe in gods, therefore I am totally responsible for my actions.
But for someone who believes in an all powerful god, that would be a logical conclusion.

 

[Sunstone]

In the Bible, Job accepts as a fact that God holds the responsibility for his suffering, yet Job refuses to curse God. That is, to blame him. (At least, that is how I understand Job.) I consider Job's attitude admirably tragic, assuming someone believes in Job's god.

In other words, if someone believes in Job's God, and they refuse to recognize that particular god has ultimate responsibility for what happens to them, then they might be confused about their god. They might not understand what it is they worship.

Yet, if they both recognize that their god has ultimate responsibility for what happens to them, but then go on to curse, or morally condemn, their god, then they do not really worship their god.

 

[Nimos]

But even if a God has immense compassion toward human beings, would it not still be the human being who would have to change his or her way of thinking, acting, or speaking so to better once own life? or so some people look at God as their own private server?

But how would you explain the following scenario then...

"A single parents child is kidnapped and later found murdered. So in this case we have 3 people, the parent, child and the killer."

So the parent screwed up, because they should have been better at protecting their child?

The child should have been more careful?

The killer should change their way of thinking and not kill or kidnap people?

According to what you wrote and to make it all fit. All of these are to be blamed for something in this scenario and therefore it is not God's fault. Its not solely the murders fault either, because the others "screwed" up as well.... don't you run into some problems here?

If God has immense compassion towards human beings and we are to be blamed, then God must have equal compassion towards the killer as he have to the child that was murdered.

To me the issue with a scenario like this, is to explain why God does not protect the child? To explain how on Earth, it can even be remotely the parent fault, as if they did something wrong and have to change?

Even if we go to the extreme and we say that the parent left their 2 year old child in the playground all alone and then went shopping for an hour, come back and the child is dead. Clearly the parent is very stupid and have done something wrong. But God should still protect the child, right? As it is in no position to decide whether or not they are left alone in the playground, they have no way to really understand the dangers at that age, let alone defend themselves.

So why wouldn't God protect the child?

 

[Spirit of Light]

But how would you explain the following scenario then...

"A single parents child is kidnapped and later found murdered. So in this case we have 3 people, the parent, child and the killer."

So the parent screwed up, because they should have been better at protecting their child?

The child should have been more careful?

The killer should change their way of thinking and not kill or kidnap people?

According to what you wrote and to make it all fit. All of these are to be blamed for something in this scenario and therefore it is not God's fault. Its not solely the murders fault either, because the others "screwed" up as well.... don't you run into some problems here?

If God has immense compassion towards human beings and we are to be blamed, then God must have equal compassion towards the killer as he have to the child that was murdered.

To me the issue with a scenario like this, is to explain why God does not protect the child? To explain how on Earth, it can even be remotely the parent fault, as if they did something wrong and have to change?

Even if we go to the extreme and we say that the parent left their 2 year old child in the playground all alone and then went shopping for an hour, come back and the child is dead. Clearly the parent is very stupid and have done something wrong. But God should still protect the child, right? As it is in no position to decide whether or not they are left alone in the playground, they have no way to really understand the dangers at that age, let alone defend themselves.

So why wouldn't God protect the child?

I have been asked a similar question before, and again my answer will be similar.
The child may have carried too much karma into this life from a past life, and by this have to repay the karma, and in your scenario, it is the killer who executes the karmic reaction toward the child, the parents have also karma and will thereby suffer because of losing their child, still, this has nothing to do with God. it has to do with everyone's past actions, words, or though and how much karma they carry in this lifetime.

Is it wrong of the killer to kill? yes, it is. will the killer get more karma? yes a lot, so in the killers next life he/she may experiences similar situation where the killer is the one who get killed to repay the karma from this action in this life.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I wonder about one thing.

Why do some people blame God, Buddha, and so on, when something goes wrong in their life, or they do not understand something in a religious/spiritual setting. then they blame God for not doing the right thing for them??

Because it's easier to shift blame than it is to take responsibility for one's own actions.

 

[Kenny]

"With great power comes great responsibility." - Uncle Ben

If god is all powerful, it is all responsible.

However, if God is an all-powerful being, He would also have the power to give authority and dominion to man and let man set his own course... for blessings or demise. Then man would have the responsibility.

 

[rational experiences]

Human science owns historically what they claim God did to them.

Harmed them when they changed the Nature of our bio life support.

The natural level of radiation, as radiating gases that owned just light.

The theme of changing stone as One God themes is a human taught story, and it is the human who owns the pretence of acting on behalf of God in self superiority claims that natural once owned. The natural status that supported our human health, without imbalanced inequality of a life lived in self explanation of being God like.

For that is exactly the format of those who idealize self as a God like personality, taking the place of a spirituality that we once all naturally shared....human health and the wealth and abundance of Nature.

Science historically is karmic owner of what is wrong medically in our life...for once Nature was not imbalanced, out of Natural order. Natural order only ever supported 100 per cent equal balances as the story tells.

Now if science says to self as a self owned theme....now I have to apply my wealth to assist the wrong doings of my past choices.....then so let it be, without claim of status...for science is a karmic human consequence that is linked to elitism itself as the natural balance change.

God in its Nature only owns an Earth body that is disruptive to its STABLE state.

So then you would inquire spiritually, did God achieve a balanced equilibrium that did not own natural disaster activation, and did humans in science actually remove that equilibrium....without claiming that humans questioning the moral ethics of the history of science are wrong, when science made the wrong choice orginally. For no human is above being questioned.