muizz99
Sunni Muslim
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About Killing the Polytheists/Infidels
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jonman122
Active Member
See, this is why I like being Atheist, because not being in a religion and not actually worrying about my religion or ideology killing people isn't something I'm inclined to do.
I do agree that the Muslim and Christian holy books have a lot of killing in them though. Very interesting reads.
This looks less like a debate than you just copy and pasting sources though. It'd be nice if you just... linked them instead, so the thread wasn't so needlessly long.
I do agree that the Muslim and Christian holy books have a lot of killing in them though. Very interesting reads.
This looks less like a debate than you just copy and pasting sources though. It'd be nice if you just... linked them instead, so the thread wasn't so needlessly long.
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Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
In the past Christians saw it as their duty to free the Holy Land from the Pagans. (Muslims)
They fought them to free the Holy Places for Christians.
Equally some Christians have fought each other over questions of faith, but mostly over who they owed allegiance to.
Today it is rare for Christians to fight over questions of faith, there are always other issues involved when they are in conflict.
Throughout the Christian world it is illegal to kill for faith.
There are no Christian teachings that allow the killing of people for what they do or do not believe.
In the Old Testament "histories" there is a great deal of killing. The Jews always ascribed God's Help and agreement to these battles. Christians like all peoples, do pray to God for help "if it be his will" in such situations.
They fought them to free the Holy Places for Christians.
Equally some Christians have fought each other over questions of faith, but mostly over who they owed allegiance to.
Today it is rare for Christians to fight over questions of faith, there are always other issues involved when they are in conflict.
Throughout the Christian world it is illegal to kill for faith.
There are no Christian teachings that allow the killing of people for what they do or do not believe.
In the Old Testament "histories" there is a great deal of killing. The Jews always ascribed God's Help and agreement to these battles. Christians like all peoples, do pray to God for help "if it be his will" in such situations.
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Yeah, as a polytheist? Not a fan.
And guess what? This is still going on. Today. Right now. With contemporary Pagans living in countries with oppressive Islamic policies. Absolutely disgusting.
And guess what? This is still going on. Today. Right now. With contemporary Pagans living in countries with oppressive Islamic policies. Absolutely disgusting.
Only a few of a person's opinions is defined by their religion, and believe me, people are much more than a few opinions 
So why do some people worry about those few opinions? Why not focus on their state of being, on whatever else makes up of them?
So why do some people worry about those few opinions? Why not focus on their state of being, on whatever else makes up of them?
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
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dust1n
Zindīq
The evil that is in the world always comes of ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence, if they lack understanding. On the whole men are more good than bad; that, however, isn't the real point. But they are more or less ignorant, and it is this that we call vice or virtue; the most incorrigible vice being that of an ignorance which fancies it knows everything and therefore claims for itself the right to kill. There can be no true goodness, nor true love, without the utmost clear-sightedness. -Camus
emphasis me.
emphasis me.
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
Are you calling for the murder of all those who you see as polytheists?
Since I don't read Arabic I would like to hear other muslims comment on the first site. It just could be a disagreeable translation.
You also have to understand to many Christians, Christ came to bring a new covenant that cut out all the killing. To me the 2nd site is logical but makes no sense when put in that perspective.
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dust1n
Zindīq
There's not room in this metaphysical town for both our gods. :tumbleweed rolls by:
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outhouse
Atheistically
Doesn't YOUR religion teach you not to be throwing rocks wildly while living in a glass house?
It looks like your not debating anything, just hating others beliefs promoting nonsense like the link you provided.
You should learn what the trinity really is before falsely using it as evidence against Christians.
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
No, it would seem that he wants to burn down the house And kill all those Dam Polytheists in it.
outhouse
Atheistically
I have a severe dislike when hatred and severe ignorance are tied together.
Why do the two have to have such a solid marriage?
Nyingjé Tso
Dharma not drama
Vanakkam,
This is horrible to see this. I'm very sad for what happened to this woman, I hope she will get a next life in a more peaceful place where she can have freedom to choose and live her path to God
The actions of those mans who did these disgusting things to her will get back what they sow, this is for sure.
Aum Namah Shivaya
This is horrible to see this. I'm very sad for what happened to this woman, I hope she will get a next life in a more peaceful place where she can have freedom to choose and live her path to God
The actions of those mans who did these disgusting things to her will get back what they sow, this is for sure.
Aum Namah Shivaya
Muslims aren't Heathens either. Heathens are Neopagans who specialize in Nordic reconstructionism. Granted, "heathen" like "pagan" are used as all-purpose designations for religious outsiders, but I discourage that usage given the presence of contemporary Paganism as a religious movement.
Infidel is a perfectly appropriate word, though. Infidel (adjective): a person adhering to a religion other than one's own. Therefore, if you're a Muslim, you can legitimately describe any person belonging to any religion other than your own (including Christianity) as an infidel. Honestly, I'd avoid using that word as well, because it's a snarl word and a hate word, just how some of the dated ways of using the words "pagan" and "heathen" are.
Yeah, it's crazy. I kind of hope that the source isn't as reliable as believed - that the story is a lie. Because who wants to believe that a contemporary Pagan living in Syria was outed by her own brother, then raped and murdered because of her religion? Not me.
Beautifully said
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Quite true... I brought up the words Pagan and Heathen because of his use of Infidel in the script.
They are all pejorative words.
Text books and books by popular authors, that I read in my school days, did refer Muslims as pagan and heathen, These words also encompassed virtually every religion except Jews and Christians.
People are free to chose their own Gods and Goddesses with out censure by others.
However their religious practises and cultural interpretations are open to question both in law and in terms of universal human rights.
Religion is never an an excuse for Barbarism and intolerance.