Kelly of the Phoenix
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LOL, there's no proof Abe or Isaac existed either.
God DID make a covenant with Ishmael IIRC.
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Abraham Father of Many Nations
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This is incorrect. The promise was made before that incident. After Abraham showed a willingness to sacrifice his own son G-d never spoke with him again; not as He did before. Abraham's willingness to sacrifice Isaac showed a disbelief in G-d's promise that Isaac was a child of promise.
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abraham wasn't a jew. isaac wasn't a jew. even jacob wasn't a jew. a jew is a person descended from the nation of judah.
Quite simply you do not understand the doctrine of the Trinity. One should know what one rejects.
God is one, but not solitary.
Tertullian makes it clear that you cannot begin to understand what Christians mean when we talk about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three distinct persons unless you always keep in mind this first rule of faith: we are talking about one inseparable Being. The Trinity is one God. If you assume that the Trinity means that the Father, Son, and Spirit are three separate deities, Tertullian says that you are uninformed at best and "perversely disposed" at worst. Since Tertullian coined the term "Trinity," he certainly has the right to define what he does and doesn't mean by it, and he is clear that he does not mean that the Father, Son, and Spirit are three different gods. "Trinity" is a monotheistic term.
Doesn't the Trinity contradict monotheism? | carm
there is no such word as the TRINITY in the Christian Bible. God's Written Word
There is no such word as the TRINITY in the Christian Bible. God's Written Word.
There is no such word as TRINITY in the Christian Bible. God's Written Word.
There is no such word as TRINITY in the Christian Bible. God's Written Word.
There is no such word as TRINITY in the Christian Bible. God's Written Word.
Neither is the word Trinity found in the Creed. Yet it states; 'We believe in one God, the Father Almighty....., We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son...., We believe in the Holy Spirit....Who proceeds from the Father and the Son.......
The word Trinity is not found in Scripture, yet, there Father, Son, Holy Spirit are together in the Acts of the Apostles, by the Evangelist Luke.
god is not a person(man) that he should lie, or the son of man that he should repent.
God = creator, transformer, preserver
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.
brahman = body, mind, spirit
The angel of The Lord told Hagar when she was sent out of Abraham's camp; that Ishmael would be leader of a nation and that he would be against all men and all men would be against him.. That is scripture in the bible. Easy to google it up.
Genesis. 16:12. Says:speaking to Hagar about Ishmael. Quote: 'and he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man,and every man's hand against him;
For decades the 'trinity' has been debated. Different interpretations of scripture have given rise to endless debating.
Its called theology. No one today would attempt to explain the Trinity using the same terminology as those of the earlier centuries following the NT.
There is significant scientific PROOF that Jews and Arabs in general share a MOST RECENT COMMON PATERNAL ANCESTOR in the 1k - 5k years ago range. Perhaps, before making such ignorant statements you should study human evolutionary genetics from a book such as
The Journey of Man - Wikipedia
Ishmael was not Jewish. He had his own covenant with God that is often known as the Noachide covenant among the Jews. Just as, Jethro was a Midianite descendant of Esau not Jewish but worshipped the same God.
Given the close genetic link between the Cohens and the Quraysh, it is quite possible that MP / the Quraysh had patrilineal descent from Onias IV and matralineal descent of Ishmael. This would make them members of the Ishmaelite nation and give them Israelite patrilineal descent. After all the last we heard of Onias' family it was building temples in and around Egypt to worship the Jewish god with Arabs (Egyptians and Assyrians)
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This is a common practice in the Bible of calling people names. For example the Jews and Israel are described as harlots. Europeans were I think dogs etc. It doesn't mean much. In this case, fighting everyone meant he wasn't going to be anybody's slave. So she cheers up and heads back.
The point you need to focus on is that god performed miracles to keep them alive like giving them oil, I mean water to drink
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RESOLUTION
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So the Jews do not exist today and have not performed the act of circumcision from the time of Abraham.
Sometimes people cannot see the woods for the trees.
No! he blessed Ishmael he never chose him to do anything or made a covenant with him.
Genesis 17:20
20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.
his covenant was to make ishmael a great nation. that still makes him their God and Father too.
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We come to the argument which isn't an argument at all.
The covenant with Abraham and his Son Isaac came through the line of Jacob. Jacob was called 'Israel' and all born of the line of Israel are descendants of Isaac and inheritors of the promise of Abrahams as his descendants through Isaac.
The twelve tribes of Israel are the twelve son of Jacob who is called Israel.
“The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet, until Shiloh comes; and to him shall be the obedience of the peoples”. (Gen 49:10)
Numbers 24:17:
“I see him, but not now; I behold him, but not near: a star shall come out of Jacob, and a scepter shall rise out of Israel…”
Judah, the chosen tribe from which the Messiah would come. Judah made the royal tribe.
I will ask you a question if a member of the tribe of JUDAH is not circumcised he is still a Jew?
If a member of any tribe is uncircumcised is he still a Jew?
There is a historic line of many events which lead to Judah being Chosen by God as the royal line.
There is the priestly line through Levi but we know the priestly line was Levi and Judah because of the mother of the high priesthood was from the tribe of Judah.
The descendants of Abrahams line is through circumcision and promise.
But more so through the chosen Son who was Isaac. Through any other son you would never have had the Israelites or the tribe of Judah.
I personally believe, we cannot think or assume that anything changes the will or promise of God because of mans own scholarly views. If we read the bible we see nothing is left to mans way of thinking it is simply Gods choice about whom he choses. The choice shows that it is not man who decides.