• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Abrahamic Faith vs Culture

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
How much of the Abrahamic faith is infulenced by the cultures of the Jewish and Arab peoples? Should the faith be separate from the culture? What happens when the faith takes on the aspects of other cultures? Does the fact that the Abrahamic faith has crossed so many cultural bounderies make it superior to other faiths? Is that why older pagan religions died out? What do you think the future culture of the Abrahamic faith will be? Does Trey ask to many damn questions?
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
Culture and religion will always be hand in hand.

Yes but it can be said that Christianities success came from transcending some of the Jewish cultural aspects, thus allowing for Roman acceptance of Christianity. So while culture and religion are hand in hand, sometimes they break away from each other. I would like to explore that flexibility in this thread.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
They spread so fast by getting rid of or merging with their opponents culture using brute force whenever necessary. Yahweh and Allah seem to be more about forcing people to worship or else. As of now and into the future this tactic is not working so well. In turn they are losing their grasp on being majority. Heck people are even questioning the holiness of the good ole USA which is just blasphemous.
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
Sometimes the faith is polluted - sometimes [youtube]R-3b7ls3-dI[/youtube]
enhanced.

I'm assuming you are offering the video as an example of how the faith is NOT polluted so please correct me if I'm wrong. Question, do you see a potential for the village in the video to change the Jewish faith to include aspects of African culture and religion like the fusion of Christian and African Religion found in Santeria.

[youtube]SSjEccnOvQQ[/youtube]
CUBA AFRICAN SANTERIA CEREMONY - YouTube

Note, there is no sound in the video until the dancing starts, about 1 min and a half in.
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
Potentials abound.

Ok, and would that kind of merger be good or bad? In Christianity we see many mergers of cultures. Christmas is one big mashup of pagan and Christian beliefs for example. How do you, as a Jew, feel about the Jewish faith merging culturally with a new group of people?
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
You're fishing. For what? Why?

"Jewish faith merging culturally" is one of those slop phrases that can mean almost anything. Unless and until you clearly define what has been introduced I have no basis upon which to form an opinion. What I do know at this point is that I could go to the services depicted in Uganda and feel very much at home.
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
You're fishing. For what? Why?

"Jewish faith merging culturally" is one of those slop phrases that can mean almost anything. Unless and until you clearly define what has been introduced I have no basis upon which to form an opinion. What I do know at this point is that I could go to the services depicted in Uganda and feel very much at home.

Not fishing, just curious. I know of lots of examples of Christianity merging with other cultures but I know very little about the Jewish faith and how its been able to integrate into cultures and peoples around the world. I know these kinds of questions can seem like traps and there are many who will say any example of the Abrahamic faith spreading is automatically evil but I'm genuinely trying to learn something here.

I'm also interested in how Islam has integrated in other cultures like in Asia. I know there a millions of Asian Muslims but I know nothing about how they have adapted their culture to Islam and what parts of their culture they have brought to Islam. I'm very interested to here more on that subject as well.
 

beenie

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
IMO, nearly everything we do in our daily lives is influenced by culture, so why would practicing religion be any different? People practice religion differently in various cultures, and that's the flexibility of religion in general.
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
How much of the Abrahamic faith is infulenced by the cultures of the Jewish and Arab peoples? Should the faith be separate from the culture? What happens when the faith takes on the aspects of other cultures? Does the fact that the Abrahamic faith has crossed so many cultural bounderies make it superior to other faiths? Is that why older pagan religions died out? What do you think the future culture of the Abrahamic faith will be? Does Trey ask to many damn questions?

I can't speak for other Abrahamic faiths, but for Judaism, the culture and the religion are inextricably intertwined, inseperable. Judaism is a way of life. It doesn't begin and end at the synagogue doorways. It permeates every aspect of living, and is both influenced by the cultures in which the Jewish People live, and influences those cultures to become the spectrum of Jewish cultures that we know.

And part of the strength of Judaism is that Jewish cultures evolve, even as Jewish theology and law do.
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
I can't speak for other Abrahamic faiths, but for Judaism, the culture and the religion are inextricably intertwined, inseperable. Judaism is a way of life. It doesn't begin and end at the synagogue doorways. It permeates every aspect of living, and is both influenced by the cultures in which the Jewish People live, and influences those cultures to become the spectrum of Jewish cultures that we know.

And part of the strength of Judaism is that Jewish cultures evolve, even as Jewish theology and law do.

That's why I'm curious as to how a culture that converts to Judaism does so. Do they reject all the cultural aspects the are used to in favor of Jewish culture or do they attempt to merge the two? And how do more orthodox followers view such mergings?

Santeria is an example of an extreme form of religious merging through culture. It is basically African animism with a Catholic shell. I personally have no problem with such a fusion but many Christians find it not only barbaric but sacriligious as well. To me it is no different than when the Northern European people were converted to Christianity and continued to follow their age old traditions with new Christian names.
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
That's why I'm curious as to how a culture that converts to Judaism does so. Do they reject all the cultural aspects the are used to in favor of Jewish culture or do they attempt to merge the two? And how do more orthodox followers view such mergings?

Santeria is an example of an extreme form of religious merging through culture. It is basically African animism with a Catholic shell. I personally have no problem with such a fusion but many Christians find it not only barbaric but sacriligious as well. To me it is no different than when the Northern European people were converted to Christianity and continued to follow their age old traditions with new Christian names.

Cultures don't convert to Judaism: individuals do. If I understand correctly, I think what you're talking about is how and to what degree Jewish culture maintains its boundaries while living amongst other cultures.

There is considerable cultural syncretism between Jewish and surrounding cultures in terms of language, styles of casual literature, cooking, dress, music, and suchlike. Theological or religious syncretism is much more tightly controlled. There is such syncretism, of course-- Jewish liturgy and Jewish mysticism have both syncretized elements from various other traditions-- but generally speaking, elements taken from other religions are heavily redacted and reshaped to come more in line with theology acceptable to Judaism.

One could not have, for example, a Jewish version of Santeria. That kind of theology is fundamentally incompatible with Judaism, its ritual practices also deeply incompatible. There used to be, in the late 1960s, a fringe group calling themselves HinJews, which were attempting fuse Judaism and Hinduism: they were utterly rejected by the main stream, and mostly politely rejected even by the left-wing fringes. Likewise, the small fringe group calling themselves JeWiccans are having about the same success, and it comes as no surprise to any.

However, some JuBus (Jews syncretizing Buddhism into their practice, a largish fringe group) are managing to stay within the bounds of acceptability, by being careful to Judaize the philosophy and practices they import, and being equally careful to reject any kinds of folk Buddhist practice that cross the lines into avodah zarah (prohibited worship, which is not merely heretical, but is beyond the pale). They walk a fine line, but they have shown it can be done; though there are also a number of JuBus who are not so careful, and their practices are unacceptable.

The lines between what is borderline heretical and actually heretical in Judaism can sometimes be fine lines, and there is considerable room in the Jewish world and tradition for debate and stretching of the boundaries to some degree; but what is avodah zarah is usually fairly clear cut, and there is little tolerance given to attempts to fuse Judaism with what is truly incompatible, theologically.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
How much of the Abrahamic faith is infulenced by the cultures of the Jewish and Arab peoples? Should the faith be separate from the culture? What happens when the faith takes on the aspects of other cultures? Does the fact that the Abrahamic faith has crossed so many cultural bounderies make it superior to other faiths? Is that why older pagan religions died out? What do you think the future culture of the Abrahamic faith will be? Does Trey ask to many damn questions?

i think Trey does ask too many damn questions. lol :p

i'm gonna stick to the islamic side rather than all abrahamic faiths.

any culture or tradition other than that of the arabs is/can be islamic so long as it doesn't contradict islamic teachings. around the world there are many kinds of traditions that are different to those of the arabs but since it is within the boundaries of islam it is an islamic cultrue/tradition.

any culture any tradition of any people can be islamic culture so long as it doesn't violate islamic teachings. the most famous tradition or lets say culture in Australia is the barbie (BBQ). the way non-muslim australians do it is like any other party or family gathering. but in islam it is not permitted to have the men and women together, so muslim living in australia can have a barbie except that men and women must not be together, there should be no alcohol etc.

i hope that is helpful.
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
How much of the Abrahamic faith is infulenced by the cultures of the Jewish and Arab peoples? Should the faith be separate from the culture?
To many Jews their society is based on their cultural values and cultural character much more than it is on religion or faith. for example, holidays are being celebrated because they are culturally binding. many Jews consider their Jewish identity to be culture based and not necessarily faith based.

What do you think the future culture of the Abrahamic faith will be? Does Trey ask to many damn questions?
I think that because of the quality I discuss above. mainly being flexible and retain a cultural coherence and development, or evolution if you will. Judaism or Jewish culture will continue to advance into the future, as it always has.
 

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
What do you think the future culture of the Abrahamic faith will be?

Well, for starters, you might want to remember that (in addition to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) the Baha'i Faith is eminently Abrahamic, and represents a far more recent trend in Abrahamic religious culture!

Peace, :)

Bruce
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Interesting. But iam also a bit sceptic.
They seem to have other urgent needs than to be introduced to judaism.

And i wonder how much they really understand of the hebrew when they are singing or praying.

So are you just as skeptical of westerners converting to Judaism?
 
Top