Abrahamicism

[Truthseeker]

There are already some religions like that. But trying to believe in all of that, they have lost all of it. It's better to be truthful than wannabe. In my opinion.

Didn't know you saw it that way.

 

[Truthseeker]

Christianity is the religion of hate. They defy God (thou shalt not kill) and make wars and torture camps.

You are talking about the bahavior of some Christians. They don't follow the teachings of Christ.

 

[Truthseeker]

Peaceful coexistence is possible under dictators who torture anyone who objects, and overtaxes all others.

Boy, are you optimistic!

 

[firedragon]

There are already some religions like that. But trying to believe in all of that, they have lost all of it. It's better to be truthful than wannabe. In my opinion.

Yes TS. That's how I see it. No theology can take every single physical scripture available and harmonise it. Everything get's diluted. That's my personal opinion. Let's say one person claims to be Jesus, Metteya, and something else, each has polar opposite teachings, while having a few similarities "maybe". It's not reconcilable, unless a large portion of everything is reconciled by going through a lot of hoops. That's painting a dart, and planting the arrow. There are lot's of religions like that in modern days.

This is not Islamic scholarship, this is my personal opinion.

Peace.

 

[Truthseeker]

Apparently Abrahamics tend to easily develop bitter conflicts with other Abrahamics, arguably far more so than other creeds do. Interestingly, the worst conflicts are often those involving very similar creeds. Which in itself should encourage some reflection.

That's because they don't agree that each individual person should have their own interpretation, and those that have a different interpretation are just fine as they are, as long as they behave well. The concept of orthodoxy ruined everything. As to the umbrella religions of Jewish, Christians, and Muslims, they should live and let live at least, and accept their different religions.

 

[Aupmanyav]

We each believe as we believe. I accept your belief as a Hindu-atheist. You should accept my right to be a Baha'i. I have no issue with Kemeticism, Hindu or atheism.

I too have no problem with your Bahai beliefs. After all, all Abrahamic religions have their own prophets/sons/messengers/manifestations/mahdis, each denying the other. Though I do not like your inclusion Krishna and Buddha in the list of your messengers. The God of Abraham is an alien to us, sort of a Martian. But then, we all have our particular views.

 

[Dawnofhope]

I too have no problem with your Bahai beliefs. After all, all Abrahamic religions have their own prophets/sons/messengers/manifestations/mahdis, each denying the other. Though I do not like your inclusion Krishna and Buddha in the list of your messengers. The God of Abraham is an alien to us, sort of a Martian. But then, we all have our particular views.

For Baha'is Krishna and Buddha are equal to Jesus and Muhammed. That is simply what we believe. Of course traditions that have developed completely separate from each other can appear very foreign. That being said we're all human and inhabit the same earth under one sun. I believe our essential reality transcends culture and national barriers.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I would not agree. National, cultural and religious identity is most important. One can have friendship with anyone, but these things cannot be forgotten in this illusory world. That is why you term yourself as a Bahai. I have not seen any Bahai ever forget that (and, of course, your Iranian manifestation).

 

[danieldemol]

The concept of orthodoxy ruined everything.

Baha'i have their own orthodoxy, try being a Baha'i that does not believe Baha'u'llah is a manifestation of God for example.

You may fool the ignorant with deceptive marketing slogans but some of us know the Baha'i faith too well to be fooled.

In my opinion.

 

[Truthseeker]

Baha'i have their own orthodoxy, try being a Baha'i that does not believe Baha'u'llah is a manifestation of God for example.

Believing in a certain Prophet is not my definition or understanding of what orthodoxy is. It may be yours. I don't want to argue about what orthodoxy is. I have my understaning and you have yours. Whatever I write here is also just my opinion, and I may off base about anything, including what I wrote in that post.

 

[Dawnofhope]

I would not agree. National, cultural and religious identity is most important. One can have friendship with anyone, but these things cannot be forgotten in this illusory world. That is why you term yourself as a Bahai. I have not seen any Bahai ever forget that (and, of course, your Iranian manifestation).

I wouldn't deny the importance of national, cultural and religious identity. However, for me being human and coexisting on the same planet is what we have in common. Over emphasis of national, cultural and religious identity each have known negative consequences if taken to an extreme. Consider nationalism, racism and religious fanaticism.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Over emphasis of national, cultural and religious identity each have known negative consequences if taken to an extreme. Consider nationalism, racism and religious fanaticism.

It will be foolish to overlook that. Bahais will always be Bahais, quoting Bahaollah and wanting others to come under their banner while mouthing sweet words. Who worries about negative effects? Do you?

 

[Dawnofhope]

It will be foolish to overlook that. Bahais will always be Bahais, quoting Bahaollah and wanting others to come under their banner while mouthing sweet words. Who worries about negative effects? Do you?

There is certainly a far right movement that promotes racism and religious hatred that promotes narrow nationistic narratives. Over the last decade its become much more vocal and tribal. Its contributed to a great deal of toxicity in the West with communities becoming more polarized. So yeah, it does concern me.

The Baha'i Faith is a small religion with about 5 to 10 million followers worldwide. It will either rise or fall in time and doesn't require me or any other Baha'i to proselytize.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The Baha'i Faith is a small religion with about 5 to 10 million followers worldwide. It will either rise or fall in time and doesn't require me or any other Baha'i to proselytize.

May be not to you, but we see the opposite in the forums, all those quotes in scarlet color.

 

[Dawnofhope]

May be not to you, but we see the opposite in the forums, all those quotes in scarlet color.

Proselytizing is against the rules of the forum. Baha'is are required to follow the rules of the forum just as everyone else is. You are free to report any posts you believe violate our rules.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I am not of the reporting type. I dismiss proselytizing as trash. One does come across trash in forums.