Abrahamics: why did God create us?

[an anarchist]

Why did the Abrahamic God create man?

When I was a teenager, my pastor had the bright idea of making me a Sunday school teacher with a class ranging from 4 year olds - 12 year olds.

Wasn’t a bright idea. I was very ill equipped and really young. And teaching such a range of ages made it difficult. I had to teach the Bible simple enough for the four year olds to understand, but I also had to make it complex enough for the 12 year olds to get something new out of the lesson. This lasted for around 6 years, all the way up till I left the church.

Kids ask good questions which would stump me.
“Why did God create man in the first place? And why did He put the forbidden tree in the garden?”

I would parrot what my pastor told me. “God has so much love in His heart that He created man so He could share His love. And if there wasn’t the tree there, we would be no different than robots (I still don’t understand that one)!” They weren’t ever satisfied with answers such as these.

So now I ask you, followers of Abraham. Why did God create us in the first place? He must’ve had some foresight that man would sin and begin a state of perpetual suffering for the human race. And what’s up with the tree?

 

[Brickjectivity]

You followed this person. I'm not saying they were good for you or that they didn't do you wrong, but you are accountable for your choices. You explain what the world is for. You decide. Would you like to destroy the world? Its easy. Anyone can do it these days. I could.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

The Bible says in John 1:12 that God gives people the power to become his children. God wants children and created humans so they could become his children.

 

[Brian2]

Why did the Abrahamic God create man?

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When I was a teenager, my pastor had the bright idea of making me a Sunday school teacher with a class ranging from 4 year olds - 12 year olds.

Wasn’t a bright idea. I was very ill equipped and really young. And teaching such a range of ages made it difficult. I had to teach the Bible simple enough for the four year olds to understand, but I also had to make it complex enough for the 12 year olds to get something new out of the lesson. This lasted for around 6 years, all the way up till I left the church.

Kids ask good questions which would stump me.
“Why did God create man in the first place? And why did He put the forbidden tree in the garden?”

I would parrot what my pastor told me. “God has so much love in His heart that He created man so He could share His love. And if there wasn’t the tree there, we would be no different than robots (I still don’t understand that one)!” They weren’t ever satisfied with answers such as these.

So now I ask you, followers of Abraham. Why did God create us in the first place? He must’ve had some foresight that man would sin and begin a state of perpetual suffering for the human race. And what’s up with the tree?

God seems to have done things according to what was happening at the time.
God created all things and put humans on earth to fill the earth (with humans) and subdue it and have dominion over the earth and it looks like to live in fellowship with Him.
We were moral creatures who needed to know about good and evil and it seems to me that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was part of the teaching about this.
The tree had the potential for harm and this potential was fulfilled by the deception of Satan.
Living with potential danger is also something that can be good for humans as they are developing and can teach us how to mitigate that potential.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Why did the Abrahamic God create man?

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When I was a teenager, my pastor had the bright idea of making me a Sunday school teacher with a class ranging from 4 year olds - 12 year olds.

Wasn’t a bright idea. I was very ill equipped and really young. And teaching such a range of ages made it difficult. I had to teach the Bible simple enough for the four year olds to understand, but I also had to make it complex enough for the 12 year olds to get something new out of the lesson. This lasted for around 6 years, all the way up till I left the church.

Kids ask good questions which would stump me.
“Why did God create man in the first place? And why did He put the forbidden tree in the garden?”

I would parrot what my pastor told me. “God has so much love in His heart that He created man so He could share His love. And if there wasn’t the tree there, we would be no different than robots (I still don’t understand that one)!” They weren’t ever satisfied with answers such as these.

So now I ask you, followers of Abraham. Why did God create us in the first place? He must’ve had some foresight that man would sin and begin a state of perpetual suffering for the human race. And what’s up with the tree?

Why do people have children? Children often disappoint and hurt their parents. They may even disown the ones who brought them life. But some eventually will be grateful and reconcile with their parents. God is a relational being. He could have chosen not to create because he understood how much it would hurt him, but he chose to endure the pain for the ones who would ultimately choose life.

 

[Stevicus]

Kids ask good questions which would stump me.
“Why did God create man in the first place? And why did He put the forbidden tree in the garden?”

I would parrot what my pastor told me. “God has so much love in His heart that He created man so He could share His love. And if there wasn’t the tree there, we would be no different than robots (I still don’t understand that one)!” They weren’t ever satisfied with answers such as these.

I was never satisfied with those kinds of answers either.

So now I ask you, followers of Abraham. Why did God create us in the first place? He must’ve had some foresight that man would sin and begin a state of perpetual suffering for the human race. And what’s up with the tree?

I've often considered the possibility that there was no reason for any of this. The Scriptures always portray God as some kind of loving, fatherly figure, yet what if He's really some kind of mad scientist? What if humans are really just some sort of side effect from a bizarre experiment?

Adam and Eve may have been lab rats, and the tree was the "cheese" at the end of the first maze.

 

[YoursTrue]

Why did the Abrahamic God create man?

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When I was a teenager, my pastor had the bright idea of making me a Sunday school teacher with a class ranging from 4 year olds - 12 year olds.

Wasn’t a bright idea. I was very ill equipped and really young. And teaching such a range of ages made it difficult. I had to teach the Bible simple enough for the four year olds to understand, but I also had to make it complex enough for the 12 year olds to get something new out of the lesson. This lasted for around 6 years, all the way up till I left the church.

Kids ask good questions which would stump me.
“Why did God create man in the first place? And why did He put the forbidden tree in the garden?”

I would parrot what my pastor told me. “God has so much love in His heart that He created man so He could share His love. And if there wasn’t the tree there, we would be no different than robots (I still don’t understand that one)!” They weren’t ever satisfied with answers such as these.

So now I ask you, followers of Abraham. Why did God create us in the first place? He must’ve had some foresight that man would sin and begin a state of perpetual suffering for the human race. And what’s up with the tree?

First of all, not all "followers of Abraham" are the same, in other words, they do not all come to the same conclusion. Before I even believed in God I was asked to take a class at a Sunday school for young children at Ethical Culture. I had no belief except at the time I did not know much about the Bible, although I had a religion. But it was like watching a movie -- I didn't really believe it. Well, later on I found God, but I won't go into that now. I asked the principal of the school if they believed in God. He said they don't discuss God. Since I was a musician and a substitute teacher, I entertained the class. I mainly remember that no discussion of God was held and apparently avoided.
Your question is why did he make man. I had a similar question when I started studying the Bible. I don't want to make this too long, but I'm thinking many people obviously have children. Hardly do all do it "out of love," but by custom, it's the thing to do. So that can't be it. He made man because He wanted to. And did it out of love. That's where I stop now. Perhaps we can go on to more later.

 

[YoursTrue]

I was never satisfied with those kinds of answers either.



I've often considered the possibility that there was no reason for any of this. The Scriptures always portray God as some kind of loving, fatherly figure, yet what if He's really some kind of mad scientist? What if humans are really just some sort of side effect from a bizarre experiment?

Adam and Eve may have been lab rats, and the tree was the "cheese" at the end of the first maze.

No, that can't be it, because God sent His only-begotten Son for those who recognized him as the Messiah. People have interests in life -- and generally speaking do not want to stop being concerned with those interests. When I listen to some music, especially some classics, I think the composers have died. I am pretty sure they didn't want to stop composing, but they had to. Few people look forward to death. Why is that, do you think? Even with all the bad things happening around us, many people have the desire to go on living and enjoy whatever they can.

 

[Stevicus]

No, that can't be it, because God sent His only-begotten Son for those who recognized him as the Messiah. People have interests in life -- and generally speaking do not want to stop being concerned with those interests. When I listen to some music, especially some classics, I think the composers have died. I am pretty sure they didn't want to stop composing, but they had to. Few people look forward to death. Why is that, do you think? Even with all the bad things happening around us, many people have the desire to go on living and enjoy whatever they can.

Some composers committed suicide, but overall, you're right that few people look forward to death - although I think most people come to terms with the idea. Of course, people have a survival instinct, just like all animals. Life wants to go on living. Is there a reason why? I can't say. Is there a reason for any life to exist at all? That's the eternal question that everyone asks at one point or another, but no one has any real definitive answers.

Even setting that question aside, one may also ask why are we here on a planet in this solar system, while all the other planets in the system are dead or unable to support life?

 

[Trailblazer]

So now I ask you, followers of Abraham. Why did God create us in the first place? He must’ve had some foresight that man would sin and begin a state of perpetual suffering for the human race. And what’s up with the tree?

Sorry if this is just more of the same, but the official Baha'i belief is that God created us out of His love for us:

3: O SON OF MAN! Veiled in My immemorial being and in the ancient eternity of My essence, I knew My love for thee; therefore I created thee, have engraved on thee Mine image and revealed to thee My beauty.
The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 4

That said, I cannot understand what a God who loves His creatures, both human and animal, would have created world where He well knew how much they would suffer. Thus I am forced to admit I cannot believe that God is all-loving, as the scriptures say. I am not so thoroughly indoctrinated that I am going to believe what makes no sense to me.

I do not buy the 'sin story' that says that man has always suffered and is suffering now because Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden. That does not even make sense. If Jesus died on the cross to pay for our sins, we should not have been suffering from sin after the cross sacrifice.

No, the suffering we endure in this world is owing to two things: (1) man's free will, thus his choice to do evil which causes suffering, and (2) the way God created the world, to be a Storehouse of Suffering. Let's add to that it is God who determined man's fate, so everything that happens, that is not freely chosen, is God's doing. Let's now add that some people suffer much, much more than other people, through no fault of their own. This is a just and loving God?

As for the forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden, Baha'is have quite a different belief about what it signifies, and I agree with that.

30: ADAM AND EVE

 

[rational experiences]

When does a human being human theory storyteller a human ....talk about G O D.

As O themed spin G spiral cooling.
O has I core heat DD. Looking above. Clouds coverage safety. Or past earth formation.

O with I heat. I meaning a symbol core heat middle heat.

O keeps G spin cools forms OO increased cooling.

As and when you live. The human. Looking seeing. Theorising by human only terms.

Thinking ...what for and including stories about a human?

Oh. I'm conscious. I see pyramid monuments. We read stories about great earth destructions by Egyptian fathers a long time ago Now.

Why now?

I realise as humans are still DNA sick mutated that we healed now after the ancient human caused event. We see we know. We were life advised.

So I discuss how a GOD GOOD keeps our cell body o...gods image held and not leaving by blasty as health of small thesis biology. Isis ..the sis.

I gone before he says by symbol I intensity of earths magnetism. Pressures. Small cells not blasting into large cells by small cell body losses.

I'm afraid.

Oh why?

I knew men theoried nature's garden owning giant bio cell beasts dinosaurs. Why life got attacked. Thesis fake.

We now live in small tree garden nature. I knew roots trees safe in ground and they regrew. Now smaller tree bodies. We aren't a giants cell.

Themed wood thesis was built to a non realistic measure in the sciences.

So I write the data story of man's old testimonials by evidences of attacked ark as eye sun RA. Said I'm a wise man. I know Rome rebuilder with Judas jew designers wrong.

The ark had hit and life healed to look back and theory why.

By my documents that said so as an old testimony is reality. Told by the story formed using letters number passed back and forth. It wrote a story. Data correlated.

They would not heed my wise man's witnessed advice of three wise men.

About gold. How myrrh and frankincense now medicines developed given to us were against philosophers gold irradiation nuclear event.

From nature's own healing of its body. We knew nature gave us all medicines.

Why a wise man Jewish life a slave told how their bad Egyptian father greedy men hurt life in his nation.

Men Jewish were now adopting the ways of old Egyptian memories of evil king's..a danger. Arguing in the temples.

 

[dybmh]

Why did God create us in the first place?

It's a little complicated, I'll try to explain. The gist of it is, God wanted a home in the material world, but couldn't do it without humans. Understanding why God couldn't do it, is the complicated part, but, it's not too bad.

The closest human imagination can get to imagining God is as a source of never ending light. God isn't the light, God is the source of the light. We can't really imagine what God is, but the light or energy or reality that emanates from God can be imagined. And that is described as never ending light.

Going from never ending light to a material world is very difficult to imagine as well. The primary problem is that any object in the material world that comes in contact with this never ending light, one would imagine, would become totally enveloped and eclipsed and nullified back into its source like candle light on a bright sunny day. If it's true for the never ending light, how much more so for the source of the light?

So, instead of God making a home in the material world directly, an indirect process is needed. At the end of this process, God's divinity is invested in small portions throughout everything that exists in the material world. But divinty hidden and divided and scattered is not a home for God. That describes divinity in exile.

Humans have a unique ability. A human can recognize and reveal the spiritual that is contained and hidden in the material. But at the same time, because we are flawed, we are not directly connected to God like angels are, and thus won't immediately be absorbed into divinity when it is revealed.

So, humans reveal the divine essence in the material and it is released from its exile. As humans discover how to reveal this spirit more and more in each and every corner of the material world, God's home is being constructed. The construction is happening by human actions little by little slowly but surely. When it's complete, God will have a home here in the material world. So humans are a critical part of the necessarily indirect process for creating a home for God.

And what’s up with the tree?

Here's my best guess...

Humans are flawed finite beings. Sin was inevitable. So God setup a system of confession, repentence, and mercy in advance of sending Adam and Eve on their mission. The most important aspect of this system was honesty. But the problem is, God needed to demonstrate this honesty as well. God couldn't issue a command and define a penalty then immediately go back on it. Doing so would make God seem dishonest and undermine Adam and Eve's honesty which would be taught to their children and this would in turn undermine the system of repentence which God had setup.

So, a tree was planted in the garden whose fruit would enable Adam and Eve to instinctively, automatically find ways to circumvent the law. God gave a command not to eat from the tree, but also asked the serpent to convince them to do it, knowing that after they ate from the tree, they would be able to find loopholes which they would use to avoid the full punishment from God.

What were these loopholes?

God commanded Adam saying: "On the day you eat FROM IT you will die." When confronted by God, Adam confesses but says, "I ate it from the women." He still ate the forbidden fruit, and confesses, but technically he's not liable for the death penalty.

Eve never received the command from God; God never told her that she shouldn't eat from the tree, nor that she would die if she did so. This is confirmed in the story because God does not ask her if she broke the commandment, but only asks "what did you do?" After Eve ate the fruit, she told Adam that he wouldn't die if he took the fruit from her and not directly from the tree.

The serpent was cursed more than any other beast, which was a badge of honor for it. That was part of the deal. It may have desired the emnity as well. It was given permission to continue to harass Adam and Eve, also part of the prize. But God had already granted humans dominion over the beasts in chapter 1, which gave them the right to crush its head.

Adam and Eve confessed and were honest, but clearly Adam was employing the forbidden fruit during the confession. God forgave them both, made clothes for them, and sent them out of the garden on their mission.

Sadly Cain shows signs of the forbidden fruit in chapter 4, so we can see that it is being passed down to the next generation. "Is my sin too much for you to bear" is a loophole which he effectively uses to save his own life.

And that's the deal with the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

 

[rational experiences]

Rome said in legal testimony as rich man a pre science satanist I'm a hypocrite.

I ignored my Jewish brothers realisations old testimony they used to argue why don't build. Against their Judas Jewish brothers and Rome.

Why they proclaimed the men who decide to assist the rebuild who migrated to do the updated building henges were not allowed back in Jerusalem Israel.

Rome said categorically the future reaction has not yet ended. So David Phi small cell cannot return.

Life's sacrifice by giant cell blasty is not our holy David. It won't stop until stars fall earths hit stops.

I cannot predict it now.

It had been predicted year 2012 as part of the future numbered reason when Jesus small cell life would heal.

As all life in old testimony still had not returned. How they knew it hadn't as humans in biology were still born mutated.

A man one self who'd healed talked about his one of experience only. He said his parents had gone into underground tunnels. As the humans who survived above ground irradiation.

As they had.

Two forms old human genetics lived side by side.

I can only warn you it will now keep returning. As since when do rich men or egotists proclaim self a hypocrite in public?

Giant crop circle evidence David was destroyed.

Ice saved earths garden nature only as underground tree roots. Why the bush had combusted. It's why the AI voice boomed in our atmosphere that altered audible hearing.

Men against science never lied. Today it's only theists who lie.

The reaction had not yet ended. So you cannot use equals as any answer mutual equal as we aren't mutual equal.

 

[an anarchist]

Sin was inevitable.

I see. The angels had no tree of knowledge of good and evil. They see God face to face, yet they stilled sin. Am I understanding correctly?

It's a little complicated, I'll try to explain. The gist of it is, God wanted a home in the material world, but couldn't do it without humans. Understanding why God couldn't do it, is the complicated part, but, it's not too bad.

So, God is and will be manifested through human beings is what your saying?
I 100% agree that man's role is to make a home for God on this earth. If God can't do it without humans, is he still omnipotent? I don't believe in an omnipotent God. I could believe that a God created the material world, but I don't believe that He has complete control over it. I have a Zoroastrian view I suppose, seeing man as allies of God (or the devil) in the cosmic battle for dominion of the human race.

 

[rational experiences]

Out fathers separated heavens living but sacrificed carbon microbes. Bio human life removed were given new water living microbes. His image voice remained recorded separated man....he cannot enter our human biology.

Known.

It's separated until gas mass returned body pressures above allows it. To remove carbon preventing his bio entry.

As space infinity a hole becomes larger and larger. As it shifts burning mass by space stretch through small burnt cooled holes. It closes small holes as space becomes a larger infinite nothingness.

We can only survive now not by space mother womb laws anymore but only by spirit gas mass return. Is the Roman updated teaching. They abominated womb law. Knew they had. Said they had.

You know healers not scientists built the church. Didn't preach science from the pulpit...owned no pulpit. Humans used to lay on a scarf Mat on the floor. Washed in clean water first oiled by herbal remedies. Wearing white robes as musical resonations voices music flowed over them.

Ritual healing. The churches founding.
No man is God only god is a dust. As Skeletal human body as a dust was our total bio converted body end.

No homosexual allowed in service unless they gave up sex. As they wanted conscious law human mind returned.

The healing method considered exact.

Homosexual men not giving up sex became child molesters. Our knowledge why.

If men keep attacking to a carbon point of mass our heavens body cannot keep bio life mind safe. Humanity prove they are losing conscious self by law as a sexual being awareness. Body type.

No use preaching it's acceptable when natural law says you're getting closer to your owned aware destruction.

Awareness consciousness. Doesn't make everything ok lying.

The tree of Knowledge in man's science terms was it's various conflicting branches.

Healers said their branch is mutual wisdom to a tree as nature's trees supplied healing medicines for humans.

The theist satanist tree was a giant tree measure in earths beginning garden. The beast giant. They lied.

The tree wasn't living in ice they said. Ice waters bio microbe saviour cooled.

 

[Valjean]

Why did the Abrahamic God create man?

The premise, that a God created us, hasn't been established. It's unevidenced.
Any conclusions derived therefrom are non sequitur.

Before you ask this question, please justify your premise.

 

[syo]

In pagan omnism, god created us to keep him company.

 

[LuisDantas]

Maybe it is just me, but I feel that such a question probably does not make logical sense regardless of who it is addressed to.

If it does, then the answer should probably be customized to the questioner.

Is that somehow frustrating? I assume it is. It has been a very long while since I could perceive this question as meaningful. If I ever did.

 

[dybmh]

I see. The angels had no tree of knowledge of good and evil. They see God face to face, yet they stilled sin. Am I understanding correctly?

Angels, imv, don't sin, can't sin. They are vectors for divine will. They are "laws".

So, God is and will be manifested through human beings is what your saying?

What I mean is, God's home is manifest through human thought speech and action. God itself is and will be beyond human apprehension.

I 100% agree that man's role is to make a home for God on this earth. If God can't do it without humans, is he still omnipotent?

Yes, because God created the process which enables it to occur.

I don't believe in an omnipotent God. I could believe that a God created the material world, but I don't believe that He has complete control over it. I have a Zoroastrian view I suppose, seeing man as allies of God (or the devil) in the cosmic battle for dominion of the human race.

I think allies or partners is a very good word for what I'm describing.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Why did the Abrahamic God create man?

Some questions we have no answer to.