Absolute Truth

[Flat Earth Kyle]

When you stop working in real numbers.

how about you try working with unreal numbers and tell me how that goes.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

I will post what I think to be absolutely true, but based on my earlier point, I do not think that everyone would see the same truth in these words:

"Bright but hidden, the Self dwells in the heart.
Everything that moves, breathes, opens, and closes
Lives in the Self. He is the source of love
And may be known through love but not through thought
He is the goal of life. Attain this goal!"

-Mundaka Upanishad

(God is called the Self)

Conscious spirit and unconscious matter
Both have existed since the dawn of time,
With maya appearing to connect them,
Misrepresenting joy as outside us.

When all these three are seen as one, the Self
Reveals his universal form and serves
As an instrument of the divine will.

All is change in the world of the senses,
But changeless is the supreme Lord of Love.
Meditate on him, be absorbed by him,
Wake up from this dream of separateness

-Shvetashvatara Upanishad

Okay, so the most clear claimed absolute thruths I got out of there was
all matter and spirit have always existed, unless the dawn of time represents a specific moment.

That and the only thing that never changes is God.

 

[fantome profane]

how about you try working with unreal numbers and tell me how that goes.

(i X i) X (i X i) X 2 = 2

Works just fine. Mathematicians use imaginary numbers all the time.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

(i X i) X (i X i) X 2 = 2

Works just fine. Mathematicians use imaginary numbers all the time.

Yeah I remember learning that in school.
the problem is each letter still symbolizes a real number.
for example if X+X= 2 then X = 1

That is unless you have another number that X could be that can be added by the same amount and still = 2

 

[fantome profane]

Yeah I remember learning that in school.
the problem is each letter still symbolizes a real number.
for example if X+X= 2 then X = 1

That is unless you have another number that X could be that can be added by the same amount and still = 2

I was using X as the symbol for multiplication, not as a variable. Sorry if you misunderstood that. "i" is an imaginary number. But "i" multiplied by "i" equals negative one.

Math is fun

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Okay, sin being things that are destructive and righteousness being things that are constructive. Now is there construction and destruction? If yes, does that show that there is in existence some kind of law or order that effect our overall happiness and misery?

Yes there is order.

 

[Madhuri]

Okay, so the most clear claimed absolute thruths I got out of there was
all matter and spirit have always existed, unless the dawn of time represents a specific moment.

That and the only thing that never changes is God.

There is actually a lot more to it than that but to bring your comment back to my original point, the 'truth' we perceive is highly dependent on what knowledge and wisdom we have gained through life experience. Just because something is absolute truth, doesn't mean we automatically can recognise it. And something we even see absolute truth where there is none.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

I was using X as the symbol for multiplication, not as a variable. Sorry if you misunderstood that. "i" is an imaginary number. But "i" multiplied by "i" equals negative one.

Math is fun

I don't understand how i times i equals -1

-1 times -1 equals 1, and -1 times 1 equals -1 but a 1 is not a -1.

I guess because it is not possible to be a number it is called an unreal number. that makes sense.

 

[fantome profane]

I don't understand how i times i equals -1

-1 times -1 equals 1, and -1 times 1 equals -1 but a 1 is not a -1.

I guess because it is not possible to be a number it is called an unreal number. that makes sense.

The point is (yes I do have one) is that things are not as simple and straight forward as you may think. Even in math we have grey areas.

 

[PolyHedral]

how about you try working with unreal numbers and tell me how that goes.

Would you like to try complex numbers, surreal numbers, vector arithmetic in Euclidean and non- metrics, matrix arithmetic over any of the above, finite fields, Albein groups, general groups, function spaces of all shapes and sizes, or perhaps something even more exotic?

For instance, when working in the field of integers mod 2, 1+1=0.

The point is (yes I do have one) is that things are not as simple and straight forward as you may think. Even in math we have grey areas.

There are no grey areas in mathematics; only assumptions you didn't realize you made.

 

[WyattDerp]

I feel like what they are finding is the pixels within the pixels. What they previously predicative goes a lot deeper than they first realized, the question is, is there a foundation at the heart of it all that all things a built upon? I believe there is and that foundation is absolute truth.

I agree, but I doubt we can fully reveal those foundations. We can get better and better approximations, but even if there are no contradictions and no riddles left, it doesn't mean our model does fully represent the absolute truth, it would just mean we have nothing left to whack it against in order to improve it.

 

[PolyHedral]

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Here is an absolute truth I have been discussing lately on another thread
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/146037-our-life-earth-adam-eve-agency.html

"Wherefore, man [can] not act for himself save it should be that he was enticed by the one [way] or [another]." ~ Lehi

Agency, or the ability to choose can not exist if we have no choices to choose from.