Active Inactivity

[Relinquish]

In truth, ALL 'things' and 'events' (including 'ourselves') are actually arbitrarily delineated, impermanent 'features' of the 'Fundamental Activity' (which is commonly known as the universe).

Evidently, this Activity is inseparable from 'Shape' (which cannot exist without 'Constraint'). The Constraint on this Shape is therefore also the 'Cause' of this Activity.

The only possible Cause of the Fundamental Activity is the 'Causeless Inactivity', which is, by definition, absolutely unconstrained and shapeless.

In other words, 'It' simply 'is'.

If the ceaseless change that is this Activity had an absolute beginning, that beginning would also be the ending of a prior 'beginningless absence of change'. If it had an absolute ending, that ending would also be the beginning of a subsequent 'endless absence of change'. Such a situation is an absolute impossibility.

Therefore, the Activity MUST be eternally cyclic.

In an eternal absence of Activity, there is only the completely structureless, ever-changeless, infinite symmetry of the Causeless Inactivity's shapelessness. For this reason, It's eternally cyclic Activity can ONLY be the 'structured ever-changing asymmetry' that it is.

However, the true nature of the Causeless Inactivity (that is to say, the actual reason WHY It is 'active' rather than 'inactive', why 'experiencing' apparently happens at particular 'times' and 'places' within It's Activity, and in turn, why an illusion of multiplicity, separateness and duality seems to arise in the most complex of these experiences) is absolutely unknowable....


Thanks for reading. ☺

 

[`mud]

That's what I said !
And nobody understood also.
~
Really...it has no vortex, or spiral.
It goes on and on and on.......
Just like the Cosmos....per se.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Welcome to the forum.

I hope I understand your point. I'll address what I think you're saying.

I also don't understand what it means to imply that conscious experience is an illusion. To say so is to place primacy on something never available to us - reality unfiltered through consciousness generating neural mechanisms. If the experience generated is somehow different from that which we are experiencing, then it is the other out there that the irrelevant piece,not the reality in here. Noumenal reality - Kant's ding an sich - may precede its rendering in consciousness, but the latter is where we live.

For example, I understand that there is no light or brightness outside of conscious minds capable of experiencing photons phenomenologically in that conscious arena. I understand that there is no redness out there, just in here, and in your theater of consciousness.

And if our visual apparatus were different, we might experience wavelengths that presently are outside of our visible range.

So yes, ours is a subjective reality in many senses.

But to call that an illusion seems to diminish its relevance to the one having the experience of redness or brightness. For me, the illusion is that if there is any sense in which reality and the experience of reality differ, that the experience is what matters most.

Consider a mirage - the appearance of an oasis on a desert that's not really there, I'll call that an illusion, because there is value in understanding the reality out there and how it differs from what it appears to be. Knowing that can positively affect future experiences. Knowing that might help me to avoid wasting resources chasing after something not there.

But notice that once again, that it is experience that matters most. The importance of what's out there is determined by what might later be in here for properly understanding that the mirage is an illusion.

Is there any comparable benefit to understanding that experiencing oneself as being separate from the surrounding world is illusory?

 

[`mud]

Ahhh...conscientious, that elusive awareness of the sense of existance of reality.
And the light beyond the light is the most important of all, it is the true beginning.
Are we existing to appear to be leaving this location, in another's view,
are we red or blue, was our introspection of ourselves adequate to the causality ?
Our prisms caste forms that are tremdously wider then our perception.
The colors of the true reality of the photon's ability to shine, are beyond any sense.
Subjective reality they are, in all senses that are granted to us, illusions become mirages.
Is not our spirits a part of the illusion of that mirage we call existance, and still it must leave.
conscientious...the last thing that we can hold to be ourselves, in an all too short existance.
NuffStuff

 

[Relinquish]

Welcome to the forum.

I hope I understand your point. I'll address what I think you're saying.

I also don't understand what it means to imply that conscious experience is an illusion. To say so is to place primacy on something never available to us - reality unfiltered through consciousness generating neural mechanisms. If the experience generated is somehow different from that which we are experiencing, then it is the other out there that the irrelevant piece,not the reality in here. Noumenal reality - Kant's ding an sich - may precede its rendering in consciousness, but the latter is where we live.

For example, I understand that there is no light or brightness outside of conscious minds capable of experiencing photons phenomenologically in that conscious arena. I understand that there is no redness out there, just in here, and in your theater of consciousness.

And if our visual apparatus were different, we might experience wavelengths that presently are outside of our visible range.

So yes, ours is a subjective reality in many senses.

But to call that an illusion seems to diminish its relevance to the one having the experience of redness or brightness. For me, the illusion is that if there is any sense in which reality and the experience of reality differ, that the experience is what matters most.

Consider a mirage - the appearance of an oasis on a desert that's not really there, I'll call that an illusion, because there is value in understanding the reality out there and how it differs from what it appears to be. Knowing that can positively affect future experiences. Knowing that might help me to avoid wasting resources chasing after something not there.

But notice that once again, that it is experience that matters most. The importance of what's out there is determined by what might later be in here for properly understanding that the mirage is an illusion.

Is there any comparable benefit to understanding that experiencing oneself as being separate from the surrounding world is illusory?

Thanks for replying, and for the welcome.

You raise a very important point here, and ask a brilliant question. So brilliant, in fact, that I'm afraid it may take me some time to come up with an adequate answer, but I'll try to be as quick as possible.

Watch this space! ☺

 

[Relinquish]

Apparently, some of the 'conscious features' of the Fundamental Activity are of such an extreme level of physical complexity that they have the natural capacity to become 'hypnotized' by their surroundings. This hypnosis makes it SEEM to these extremely complex conscious features (a.k.a. intelligent body/mind life-forms) that all the features of the Activity that can be perceived (including themselves) are in fact 'solely self-inclusive forms' (which is to say, that they are all fundamentally existing separate things that have their own independent nature), and that they themselves have their own personal consciousness and are the separate, autonomous originators of their own particular movements.

As such, the absolute harmony that naturally exists between all the features of the Activity is impossible to be seen by these hypnotized conscious features. Instead, they perceive a situation that seems confusingly fragmented, hostile and threatening. This is the illusion of multiplicity, seperateness and duality. Perceiving this, the hypnotized conscious features are bound to suffer.

Where this hypnosis is not present, there can be no suffering.

☺

 

[`mud]

Yah.....like that !