Had to make it 2 posts, my beliefs are:
You can believe anything you like, God, angels, the Devil, heaven and hell.
But none of them is part of this reality - the natural world...or even the natural universe. It is all on faith and superstitions, not on facts.
The history and cities and Kings and people of the Bible certainly are part of this natural world. But there is also a spiritual world...
As fascinating the Bible is, as stories are and to learn the cultures of ancient people, the Bible can only teach people some real-life lessons, which is extremely limited. The only useful things I see in the Bible is the moral lesson, though it is somewhat archaic now.
The Bible doesn't teach you a single things about the natural world like science and technology. It doesn't teach you about medicine or health living styles. Our world is ever-changing, so you have to live in this world at this time, not in the past.
The Bible teaches the most important thing, how to know one can have the free gift of eternal life. Jesus said there is one thing one must do, he said,
Ye must be born again.
That's because you don't know what 'science' says. It doesn't agree at all. You simply wish to be right, facts be darned.
I see no conflict with science and the Bible. I know what origins theories teach.
did you hear?
archeologist found penguin fossils in the sahara desert...apparently they were migrating towards the south pole...
:sarcastic
Fossils are found in many places that they should not be found. So much for the geologic table.
Is your opinion based upon an excellent understanding of biology?
I think so. It is also based on God's Word which I believe 100%.
For years, creationists have touted the flagellum as excellent proof of creationism. Most experts, including most Christian experts, digagree. Ken Miller, Ph.D., biology, is a devout Roman Catholic, and is widely considered to be an expert on evolution. He has an article on the evolution of the flagellum at
The Flagellum Unspun. Do you understand the article well enough to adequately refute it? Obviously not, which means that from an entirely scientific perspective, you are not in a position to object to something that you do not understand. Logically, a person must undertand what they are objecting to in order to object to it.
There are already many articles that refute it.
The same situation is true regarding the global flood. You do not know nearly enough about geology to claim from an entirely scientific perspective that a global flood occurred.
I"m not claiming entirely from a scientific perspective that a global flood occurred. I said I believe in Adam and Eve and in Noah and the Flood because the Bible says it, and I believe the Bible. Science and common sense also plays a part.
Message to javajo: Consider part of a reply that I made to rusra02:
Do you believe that it is acceptable for people who know very little about science to accept creationism, and the global flood story? If so, why are you making posts in a science forum?
Sure. Just like people who know little of origins science and accept evolution as a fact and not a theory. As God asked Noah,
Were you there when I laid the foundations of the earth? Is this a science forum? I thought it was a discussion about Adam and Eve as myth. Ok, I see its evolution vs. creationism. Not really my cup of tea as I think evolution is absurd.
Do you believe that God requires that all Christians accept creationism, and the global flood story?
Ah, good question. I believe God requires, for one to become a Christian, that they realize they have sinned, which God gives us a conscience and the commandments, don't lie, steal, murder, covet, commit adultery, take God's name in vain, obey your parents, etc. so we know we all have fallen short. Then one must understand the penalty of sin is death, as God told Adam that if he disobeyed, literally,
dying you will die, so Adam sinned and brought death to all as Romans 5 teaches,
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned, as well as 1 Cor. 15:22 says,
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8, so Christ paid the penalty so what God requires is only that we believe in Christ, that his death paid the penalty of sin, which is death. If we trust him that he paid the penalty we are freely saved forevermore to the uttermost. While one may be saved and somehow believe God used evolution to make us, or that the flood or Adam and Eve were just stories that tell a spiritual truth or whatnot, its not what I believe. I believe sin and death were passed down from Adam, Noah was the 9th from Adam, Abraham the 18th, and we have many genealogies recorded in the Bible of this, even Jesus who's went all the way back to Adam. Jesus believed Adam, Noah and Abraham existed, and he believed in the Flood, and so do I.
