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adam and eve (incest)
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Apotheosis
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According to the Bible, we are the result of incest, but not from Adam/Eve themselves. If you take the bible literaly, then they are not so much related, as much as they are identical twins, or perhaps Eve is a clone of Adam. Neither clone, nor identical twins really defines their relationship since identical twins/clones must be the same gender. Either way, looking down the family tree, incesnt is responsible for all human life.
Fire Empire
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So does this mean that god was okay with incest back in the old days, but doesn't like it so much anymore? Also, in another example, Lot's daughters did the horizontal tango with him, and their family wasn't really punished for it. Does god like incest? Or is he just more tolerable of it in certain situations and not others?
joeboonda
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Therefore, even as through one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed on all men inasmuch as all sinned. Romans 5:12
For since by a man came death, by a man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. I Cor. 15:21-22
According to the Bible, we all descended from Adam and Eve. This seems shocking to some, but one must remember, where there is no law, there is no sin Rom (7:8-9). Even Abraham married his half sister, Sarah and was the father of the Hebrew nation. Note that when God finished the creation, he looked at it and said it was VERY GOOD. Perfect creation, perfect genes.
There was no sin, and therefore no death. Genesis 5:4 says, And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years; and he begat sons and daughters. Genesis 3:20 says And Adam called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of ALL living.
The whole premise for christian faith is that by one man sin entered the world and was passed to us all and by one man, Jesus it was paid for. To try to make it a fairy-tale makes the above verses, and all of Romans chapter 5, untrue. Now, once man fell, and sinned, and death entered the world, everything began to break down, to the point that finaly, in the time of Moses, a few thousand years later, God made the laws forbidding incest (Lev. 18-20), as the genes, chromosomes, etc. broke down, and people closely related can produce defective offspring (like in the movie Deliverance). Besides the earth was well populated and there was no need for close relations to marry.
Now Cain and Abel and Seth were the first NAMED children of Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel as they were the first murder, and Seth as he was the line leading to Noah, to Abraham, to David, and on to Jesus. We don't know which daughter, or grand-daughter, or even great grand-daughter Cain married. Anyway, if you do not accept the Genesis story as literal, then you must throw out the rest of it, because only descendants of Adam can be saved (see Romans 5).
Even Jesus himself spoke of Adam and Eve when he said in Mathew 19:4-6 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female. And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder. (echoing Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave unto his wife; and they shall be one flesh.) There is the institution of marriage, not man-made, it is God ordained! Ephesians 5:31 says exactly the same thing.
For since by a man came death, by a man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. I Cor. 15:21-22
According to the Bible, we all descended from Adam and Eve. This seems shocking to some, but one must remember, where there is no law, there is no sin Rom (7:8-9). Even Abraham married his half sister, Sarah and was the father of the Hebrew nation. Note that when God finished the creation, he looked at it and said it was VERY GOOD. Perfect creation, perfect genes.
There was no sin, and therefore no death. Genesis 5:4 says, And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years; and he begat sons and daughters. Genesis 3:20 says And Adam called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of ALL living.
The whole premise for christian faith is that by one man sin entered the world and was passed to us all and by one man, Jesus it was paid for. To try to make it a fairy-tale makes the above verses, and all of Romans chapter 5, untrue. Now, once man fell, and sinned, and death entered the world, everything began to break down, to the point that finaly, in the time of Moses, a few thousand years later, God made the laws forbidding incest (Lev. 18-20), as the genes, chromosomes, etc. broke down, and people closely related can produce defective offspring (like in the movie Deliverance). Besides the earth was well populated and there was no need for close relations to marry.
Now Cain and Abel and Seth were the first NAMED children of Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel as they were the first murder, and Seth as he was the line leading to Noah, to Abraham, to David, and on to Jesus. We don't know which daughter, or grand-daughter, or even great grand-daughter Cain married. Anyway, if you do not accept the Genesis story as literal, then you must throw out the rest of it, because only descendants of Adam can be saved (see Romans 5).
Even Jesus himself spoke of Adam and Eve when he said in Mathew 19:4-6 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female. And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder. (echoing Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave unto his wife; and they shall be one flesh.) There is the institution of marriage, not man-made, it is God ordained! Ephesians 5:31 says exactly the same thing.
Joeboonda; I liked your post, but I must admit that I am not a 'sola Scriptura' type. To me, Genesis was more of an 'image construct' to help us understand the begining of life on Earth - I do not take it literally.
There obviously is nothing 'wrong' in what you say - if you believe that, all the credit to you. I an afraid though, that for me, there are too many inconsistancies (time frames), the 'incest' belief itself - to me that seems highly unlikely, knowing the phisyological repercussions of incestuously 'arrived at' babies. I personally doubt that the human race could have survived from a reproductive cycle from just one man and one woman. But hey ! who am I to know ?
There obviously is nothing 'wrong' in what you say - if you believe that, all the credit to you. I an afraid though, that for me, there are too many inconsistancies (time frames), the 'incest' belief itself - to me that seems highly unlikely, knowing the phisyological repercussions of incestuously 'arrived at' babies. I personally doubt that the human race could have survived from a reproductive cycle from just one man and one woman. But hey ! who am I to know ?
Qumran
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You may be right about it being figurative or allegorical, but, as I am sure you already know, the Bible account states it as though it were literally true.jonny said:
Genesis 2:23- "This at last bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. This one will be called woman because from man this one was taken."
I make this note only as a point of reference. In my view it is a mistake to take every word in the Bible LITERALLY. Sometimes it is trying to teach us truths of another sort using stories, parables and illustrations, like Jesus often did. being too literal can cause us to MISS the real point!
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It's all a guess and opened to interpretation. If any of the books of religion were perfect and inspired by god then wouldn't it state exactly what is meant and shouldn't anyone be able to pick it up read it and know exactly what it is saying without question. But see it is a creation of ancient man when nothing was truely known about the world or planet.Merlin said:
Good question; I wish I knew - and I am one of those who subscribes to the theory that some of the Bible is figurative.Merlin said:
I guess, in the end, it must be down to the individual and his conscience; after all, a Faith and a belief in God - albeit in an organized religion, is always subjective, and personal.
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joeboonda
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The Bible is literally true, unless it says otherwise, like if it says here is a parable, or something appeared 'like' whatever. There are some good books out there on the subject. Of interest is that for centuries people looked at the Bible as all very mystical, I forget who started that, maybe Augustine, but I may be wrong, gotta look it up, anyway, as time went on people began to take it for what it said, especially when Israel became a nation again, then understanding of prophecy grew greatly. In the late 1800's and early 1900's many folk lost a lot of faith because of so called scientific findings that supposedly went against some statements in the Bible, however as time went on, both science and archeology agreed quite nicely with the Bible. Back in I believe 1863 someone came out with a big list of scientific facts that disproved the Bible, now every one of those facts have been found to be wrong. Anyway, a good rule of thumb is believe the Bible, and where you think there is a disagreement in science, just wait for science to catch up. And always pray, and ask the Holy Spirit to help you understand what you are reading, and how it applies to your life, and study, study, study! If you question something in the Bible, you can bet that there are many books on the subject which can help. I hit the internet or the local Christian bookstore, I look at all the different answers, and see which line up with what God's word says. All I know, is, seek and ye shall find, God has revealed all we need to know for now, but we must dig a bit ourselves.Merlin said:
Sincerely,
Joeboonda