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Adam and his wife died physically after eating the Forbidden Fruit. Genesis 2:17 is Literal.
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I don't comment on Aryan/Sanksrit speculations about the Hebrew scripture.
River Sea
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Then I will.
Where is the garden of Eden where's the four rivers
Prophet Adam lived in India? – Common Prophets of the Jews, Christians & Muslims and Hindus
www.commonprophets.com
What's the rivers called in the Tamil language
Luni River - Wikipedia
How far is this from Luni river
Goddess Durga at Govindaputhur Gangajadeshwar Shiva temple, Tamil Nadu, India
Ganga Jadeswarar Temple is a Hindu Temple dedicated to Lord Shiva located in Govindhaputhur Village in Udayarpalayam Taluk in Ariyalur District of Tamil Nadu.
Presiding Deity is called as Ganga Jadeswarar / Vijayanathar / Gangaleeswarar and Mother is called as Mangala Nayagi. The Temple is considered as Thevara Vaippu Sthalam as Devaram hymns had a mention about this Temple.
The Temple is situated on the northern banks of the Kollidam River.
How come stand on bull?
What does that mean in Tamil language to stand on bull
Did Eve ever stand on bull?
Here's another river
River Rafting Pahalgam, Kashmir Valley, Jammu And Kashmir, India
How far is this river from the four rivers where the garden of Eden was?
Any Evergreen trees in the garden of Eden, because what kind of trees were in the Garden of Eden
What's this - fun quiz
10 multiple-choice questions (MCQs) on rivers of India along with their answers:
1. Which river is known as the "Ganga of the South"?
a) Godavari
b) Yamuna
c) Narmada
d) Brahmaputra
Answer: a) Godavari
2. Which river is the longest in India?
a) Ganga
b) Yamuna
c) Brahmaputra
d) Godavari
Answer: a) Ganga
3. The source of the river Ganga is:
a) Gangotri Glacier
b) Yamunotri Glacier
c) Nanda Devi Glacier
d) Siachen Glacier
Answer: a) Gangotri Glacier
4. The river flowing through the Thar Desert is:
a) Yamuna
b) Sabarmati
c) Luni
d) Tapti
Answer: c) Luni
5. The river Indus originates in:
a) India
b) Nepal
c) Tibet
d) Afghanistan
Answer: c) Tibet
6. Which river is also known as the "Sorrow of Bengal"?
a) Ganga
b) Brahmaputra
c) Godavari
d) Mahanadi
Answer: b) Brahmaputra
7. The river Kaveri flows through which of the following states?
a) Karnataka and Kerala
b) Tamil Nadu and Kerala
c) Karnataka and Tamil Nadu
d) Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, and Kerala
Answer: c) Karnataka and Tamil Nadu
8. The river Ganga enters Bangladesh and merges with the Brahmaputra to form which river?
a) Padma
b) Meghna
c) Hooghly
d) Tista
Answer: a) Padma
9. The river known as "Dakshin Ganga" is:
a) Krishna
b) Godavari
c) Narmada
d) Cauvery
Answer: b) Godavari
10. The longest tributary of the river Ganga is:
a) Yamuna
b) Chambal
c) Ghaghara
d) Son
Answer: c) Ghaghara
That was fun even though I didn't find any names from the Tamil language of these four rivers.
Maybe next time as I love to speculate, fun fun fun
Who's Adam and Eve what are there thoughts that they think about?
GoodAttention
Well-Known Member
Then I will.
Where is the garden of Eden where's the four rivers
Prophet Adam lived in India? – Common Prophets of the Jews, Christians & Muslims and Hindus
View attachment 95832
What's the rivers called in the Tamil language
Luni River - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
How far is this from Luni river
Goddess Durga at Govindaputhur Gangajadeshwar Shiva temple, Tamil Nadu, India
Ganga Jadeswarar Temple is a Hindu Temple dedicated to Lord Shiva located in Govindhaputhur Village in Udayarpalayam Taluk in Ariyalur District of Tamil Nadu.
Presiding Deity is called as Ganga Jadeswarar / Vijayanathar / Gangaleeswarar and Mother is called as Mangala Nayagi. The Temple is considered as Thevara Vaippu Sthalam as Devaram hymns had a mention about this Temple.
The Temple is situated on the northern banks of the Kollidam River.
View attachment 95833
How come stand on bull?
What does that mean in Tamil language to stand on bull
Did Eve ever stand on bull?
Here's another river
River Rafting Pahalgam, Kashmir Valley, Jammu And Kashmir, India
View attachment 95834
How far is this river from the four rivers where the garden of Eden was?
Any Evergreen trees in the garden of Eden, because what kind of trees were in the Garden of Eden
What's this - fun quiz
10 multiple-choice questions (MCQs) on rivers of India along with their answers:
1. Which river is known as the "Ganga of the South"?
a) Godavari
b) Yamuna
c) Narmada
d) Brahmaputra
Answer: a) Godavari
2. Which river is the longest in India?
a) Ganga
b) Yamuna
c) Brahmaputra
d) Godavari
Answer: a) Ganga
3. The source of the river Ganga is:
a) Gangotri Glacier
b) Yamunotri Glacier
c) Nanda Devi Glacier
d) Siachen Glacier
Answer: a) Gangotri Glacier
4. The river flowing through the Thar Desert is:
a) Yamuna
b) Sabarmati
c) Luni
d) Tapti
Answer: c) Luni
5. The river Indus originates in:
a) India
b) Nepal
c) Tibet
d) Afghanistan
Answer: c) Tibet
6. Which river is also known as the "Sorrow of Bengal"?
a) Ganga
b) Brahmaputra
c) Godavari
d) Mahanadi
Answer: b) Brahmaputra
7. The river Kaveri flows through which of the following states?
a) Karnataka and Kerala
b) Tamil Nadu and Kerala
c) Karnataka and Tamil Nadu
d) Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, and Kerala
Answer: c) Karnataka and Tamil Nadu
8. The river Ganga enters Bangladesh and merges with the Brahmaputra to form which river?
a) Padma
b) Meghna
c) Hooghly
d) Tista
Answer: a) Padma
9. The river known as "Dakshin Ganga" is:
a) Krishna
b) Godavari
c) Narmada
d) Cauvery
Answer: b) Godavari
10. The longest tributary of the river Ganga is:
a) Yamuna
b) Chambal
c) Ghaghara
d) Son
Answer: c) Ghaghara
That was fun even though I didn't find any names from the Tamil language of these four rivers.
Maybe next time as I love to speculate, fun fun fun
Who's Adam and Eve what are there thoughts that they think about?
Here is my response that I have given before to the Rivers of the Garden of Eden to resolve the geographical paradox.
The Garden of Eden is both a physical place that was "east" of Eden, as well as a non-literal place that provided an explanation for a particular phenomenon which in this case is the rain cycle. Reading Genesis 1 and 2, we note that the garden was made at a time when there was no rain, and the earth was watered from a rising mist. The river that "feeds" the garden was essentially the flow or movement of this rising mist water.
The next verse in Genesis then says this river mist separates into four "heads", which has generally been interpreted as meaning physical rivers. However, the four "rivers of Eden", if taken to be the Euphrates, Tigris, Gihon (Indus), and Pishon (Nile), never physically intersect at a single point on earth.
I consider the Gihon, meaning gushing or bursting forth, to be describing a spring-fed river. It is known the the Indus River begins at a spring in the Tibetan plateau known as the Lion's Mouth. This therefore attributes the Land of Kush as the Indus Valley.
I consider the Pishon to be the Nile based on the description given. The name Havilah, who is a descendent of Kush is considered to be a reference to India. We know communities in India were skilled sailors and traders, and would travel to the Red Sea port of Tjau (El Qoseir), and from here transport goods via caravan to Gebtu (Qift) located on the bank of the Nile, via the Wadi Hammamat (Gateway to India), a dry river bed. This land of Havilah was also a mining region, which fits the description. Of interest, the verse describing the gold from Havilah being "good" contrasts with the gold that was collected from the Nile which had a high silver content. Hence, good gold was in demand from India.
Now, if we considered the verses to be a description of the rain cycle, that is the water from Eden feeding the garden, then rising to "separate" into four heads of clouds that take the water to become the source or headwaters of the rivers (born) of Eden, this would resolve the geographical paradox.
Being the great rivers of the three ancient civilizations, Genesis tells us the importance of the garden as the source of water for mankind. It could be describing how water travels from the roots, through the trunk, branches, stems, and leaves of the Tree of Life and perhaps Good and Evil before evaporating and becoming clouds. The importance for water in an ancient explanation to photosynthesis or "east" (sunlight), air, and water for plant growth.
Eden, meaning plentiful, describes a time of paradise when the Sahara and Arabian deserts transitioned from dry to green during the African humid period. The rain, or more specifically monsoons, that fed the Sahara and Arabian deserts areas were vital in transforming the land, creating forests, freshwater sources, rivers, and ground-water flow particularly in the Arabian peninsula. An eastern location for the garden is a reference to where the rain was coming from, since trade-winds move in an east to west direction.
Humans started to thrive in this Eden approximately 9000 years ago when AHP started, with animal domestication and the birthing the Ancient Egyptian civilization being significant outcomes. The rains stopping and desertification restarted 6000 years ago, effectively beginning the end of paradise.
This moment in time coincides with the fall of Adam and Eve, and their leaving of the garden.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
This is how S. Joshua Swamidass thinks.
@shunyadragon @Bharat Jhunjhunwala
S. Joshua Swamidass
Are Neanderthals Humans Too? S. Joshua Swamidass and Michael Heiser
S. Joshua Swamidass
S. Joshua Swamidass - Wikipedia
S. Joshua Swamidass Book: The Genealogical Adam and Eve
Evolutionary science teaches that humans arose as a population, sharing common ancestors with other animals. Most readers of the book of Genesis in the past understood all humans descended from Adam and Eve, a couple specially created by God. These two teachings seem contradictory, but is that necessarily so? In the fractured conversation of human origins, can new insight guide us to solid ground in both science and theology? In The Genealogical Adam and Eve, S. Joshua Swamidass tests a scientific hypothesis: What if the traditional account is somehow true, with the origins of Adam and Eve taking place alongside evolution? Building on well-established but overlooked science, Swamidass explains how it’s possible for Adam and Eve to be rightly identified as the ancestors of everyone. His analysis opens up new possibilities for understanding Adam and Eve, consistent both with current scientific consensus and with traditional readings of Scripture. These new possibilities open a conversation about what it means to be human. In this book, Swamidass
untangles several misunderstandings about the words human and ancestry, in both science and theology
explains how genetic and genealogical ancestry are different, and how universal genealogical ancestry creates a new opportunity for rapprochement
explores implications of genealogical ancestry for the theology of the image of God, the fall, and people “outside the garden”
Some think Adam and Eve are a myth. Some think evolution is a myth. Either way, the best available science opens up space to engage larger questions together. In this bold exploration, Swamidass charts a new way forward for peace between mainstream science and the Christian faith.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Further, please do send me some links to understand the toxic red tide that you are talking about.
I have not heard of any natural event that would explain parting of the Red Sea as we know it now.
I am not saying that the mud volcanoes represent pillars of fire. They are volcanic events in the Indus Valley. The significance lies not in the volcanoes, but in the fact that they can obstruct the flow of the Indus River and allow the Hebrews to cross the river on dry land. That has nothing to do with fire, with due respect, I am familiar with two theories of Yam Suph. One is parting of the Red Sea that does not work because there is no natural example. Second is parting of the waters of the bitter lakes at very high speeds of wind, which would make them unpassable and further, both of them do not solve the problem of the Pharaoh catching up with them on the other side.
I am willing to consider divine events which are not supported by natural explanations, but if we have two alternatives, one with divine intervention and the natural explanation, another with divine intervention, without a natural explanation, then I would take one with the natural explanation. I think that should be acceptable to you. I am working on a paper on genetic inheritance of the Jews, but it will have to wait for another fortnight or a month. Thank you.
I gave you a reference and you apparently ignore the references I provide and stoically inside on an Indus Valley scenario without any actual references to support your view.
The Red Sea contains a cyanobacteria called Trichodesmium erythraeum, which turns the normally blue-green water a reddish-brown. The water of the Red Sea can also appear red due to the presence of certain types of algae, which produce a reddish pigment as a byproduct of photosynthesis. The algae blooms can be caused by a variety of factors, including changes in water temperature, salinity, and nutrient levels.
What is Red Tide:"Red Sea" Red Tides - Google Search
Red tides are marine events that occur when algae and dinoflagellates, or other protists, grow rapidly, causing the water to discolor. This growth period is called a bloom, and in a 2–3 week period, each algal cell can produce up to 1 million daughter cells. The technical term for this phenomenon is algal bloom, but it's commonly known as a red tide because the water can turn red, green, or brown.
Red tides can have many negative impacts, including: Fish kills, Marine mammal kills, Shellfish bed closures, and Respiratory irritation at the shore.
The toxins released by the protists can also damage or kill marine life. For example, in the Red Sea, the algae Trichodesmium erythraeum can turn the blue-green water reddish-brown when it dies off.
Again I gave references and you choose to ignore them. Again, again and again the Bible claims Divine cause and no natural explanation necessary
Divine interventions do not need natural explanations. Nonetheless as previously described before and you ignored it.
How did the Red Sea part in Exodus? Medicane, storm surge, Rossby waves, suggests UK study
Moses, the prophet of God, led the Hebrews out of slavery from Egypt after the tenth plague (the death of firstborn sons in every Egyptian household) forced the
Bratcher added the translation “Red Sea” was simply a traditional one introduced into English by the King James Version Bible through the second century BC Greek Septuagint and the later Latin Vulgate. “It then became a traditional translation of the Hebrew terms (yam suph),” he said.
The northern end of the Red Sea, the Gulf of Suez, separates the mainland from the Sinai Peninsula and the ‘Land of Canaan’, to which the Israelites under Moses were headed.
The researchers’ first hypothesis for the water parting is a ‘negative’ storm surge caused by a Medicane. A negative storm surge happens when coastal waters fall to lower levels during an extreme weather event. It occurs most dramatically in inlets and bays such as the Gulf of Suez.
The researchers gave the example of Hurricane Irma, which caused parts of the waters off the Florida Peninsula to push back, exposing the sea floor.
An event like Hurricane Irma is not possible in the Red Sea or the Gulf of Suez. However, the Mediterranean (to which it now connects via the Suez Canal) and the Arabian Sea (to which it connects via the Strait of Bab El Mandeb) do host ‘Medicanes’, hurricane-like tropical storms.
Medicanes have recently wrought havoc on opposite shores of the Mediterranean — Greece in 2020 and Libya earlier this year, where at least 5,000 people died in the port of Derna.
“Tropical cyclones require a sea temperature of at least 27°C, as well as being in a low pressure region within 30° latitude of the equators low pressure region. Particularly in the Summer months, the Red Sea meets both of these requirements making a medicane, and the subsequent negative surge, a possible explanation to allow the Israelites to cross an exposed reef,” the researchers wrote.
The Biblical account also mentions a ‘strong east wind’ as having helped part the waters. The authors said a phenomenon known as ‘wind setdown’ matched this description.
If winds, at a speed of 28 ms-1 were to be “incident” for 12 hours, it would expose a raised reef in the Suez, where the Israelites would have crossed over into Sinai, Garatt and Kunverji hypothesised.
A third hypothesis they suggested was ‘tidal resonance’.
The phenomena occurs “when a sudden, unexpected external input, such as extreme wind, excites one of the resonant modes of a local region of the Red Sea, leading to a much more extreme low tide, exposing greater areas of the seabed,” the authors wrote.
One area where this has been seen is the Bay of Fundy on the United States-Canada border in the North Atlantic. There, “the tidal frequency is close to its natural frequency causing the most extreme tides on the planet,” the writers noted.
“Due to the greatest fluctuation in sea level, the Gulf of Suez represents the best location for Moses to have crossed due to any tidal extremes,” the researchers wrote.
The fourth and last hypothesis is Rossby waves. Garatt and Kunverji stated:
Interestingly, the authors noted that Napoleon Bonaparte’s account of his campaign against the Mamluks of Egypt in the 1790s also entailed crossing the Red Sea through tidal changes.
“Whether a miraculous act of God or due to some of the unlikely, coincidental phenomena discussed in this paper, the chance of ‘parting’ is not zero,” wrote the researchers in the study published in the Journal of Interdisciplinary Science Topics
Note Bold with Napoleon crossing the Red Sea
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What this person or that person in India "thinks" offers absolutely not to justify an ancient Levant Creation scenario and Garden of Eden in ancient text without provenance,This is how S. Joshua Swamidass thinks.
@shunyadragon @Bharat Jhunjhunwala
S. Joshua Swamidass
Are Neanderthals Humans Too? S. Joshua Swamidass and Michael Heiser
S. Joshua Swamidass
S. Joshua Swamidass - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
S. Joshua Swamidass Book: The Genealogical Adam and Eve
View attachment 95872
Evolutionary science teaches that humans arose as a population, sharing common ancestors with other animals. Most readers of the book of Genesis in the past understood all humans descended from Adam and Eve, a couple specially created by God. These two teachings seem contradictory, but is that necessarily so? In the fractured conversation of human origins, can new insight guide us to solid ground in both science and theology? In The Genealogical Adam and Eve, S. Joshua Swamidass tests a scientific hypothesis: What if the traditional account is somehow true, with the origins of Adam and Eve taking place alongside evolution? Building on well-established but overlooked science, Swamidass explains how it’s possible for Adam and Eve to be rightly identified as the ancestors of everyone. His analysis opens up new possibilities for understanding Adam and Eve, consistent both with current scientific consensus and with traditional readings of Scripture. These new possibilities open a conversation about what it means to be human. In this book, Swamidass
untangles several misunderstandings about the words human and ancestry, in both science and theology
explains how genetic and genealogical ancestry are different, and how universal genealogical ancestry creates a new opportunity for rapprochement
explores implications of genealogical ancestry for the theology of the image of God, the fall, and people “outside the garden”
Some think Adam and Eve are a myth. Some think evolution is a myth. Either way, the best available science opens up space to engage larger questions together. In this bold exploration, Swamidass charts a new way forward for peace between mainstream science and the Christian faith.
More references: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topic...nomenon of red tide,could not drink the water.
Red tide is a colloquial term used to refer to one of a variety of natural phenomena known as harmful algal blooms (HABs), which are caused by certain species of phytoplankton containing photosynthetic pigments that vary in color from green to brown to red. When the algae are present in high concentrations, the water appears to be discolored or murky, varying in color from white to almost black, normally being red or brown. Not all algal blooms are dense enough to cause water discoloration, and not all discolored waters associated with algal blooms are red. Additionally, red tides are not typically associated with tidal movement of water, hence the preference among scientists to use the term algal bloom.
The phenomenon of red tide has been around since ancient times. Some biblical scholars believe the seventh chapter of Exodus mentions red tide when the river Nile turns to “a river of blood,” where many fish were killed and the people could not drink the water. References to red tide are also found in Homer’s Iliad, the works of Tacitus and in the logs of captains and navigators going back to the 16th century. Spanish explorers in the New World named the Gulf of California the Vermilion Sea because of the red tides that were so common in the long slender body of water.
Your argument is based on hypothetical Divinely caused events with coincidence relationships to the Indus Valley. This argument fails, because you do not address the actual archeological, historical, geographic, cultural, and genetic evidence directly relating the Hebrews, Canaanite, and Egyptians for over thousands of years going back to 3000 BCE and earlier.
Hey IANS, hope you and yours are well…
But the ancient manuscripts they are based on, vary little. The Dead Sea Scrolls support that.
Re: the dead have no afterlife, you said:
It is a subject the majority wonder about at one time or another.
Unfortunately, for centuries Bibles have been translated by many who adhere to preconceived ideas, and their translations reveal their biases.
But the ancient manuscripts they are based on, vary little. The Dead Sea Scrolls support that.
Well, I’ve found its advice very beneficial, in my professional and personal life. So have most JW’s.
Re: the dead have no afterlife, you said:
Really? I figured that having no belief in a god, you would think when you’re dead, you’re dead.
It is a subject the majority wonder about at one time or another.
It is true that translations do involve preconceived ideas and beliefs, which is true today, but this is true of the early not original text like the Dead Sea scrolls.
The actual text without any consideration of how it is translated has many contradictions and other problems reflecting the fact that it is an ancient cultural perspective without provenance or science and knowledge of actual history'
You need to provide specific examples how the contradictions in the text are due to translations.
Yes the cyclic progressive desertification after the last Ice Age forced migration into the river valleys reflecting the physical loose of Eden on the verdant plains of Africa and the Middle East that may be in the memories of the tribes of the Middle
East.
Unfortunately the Genesis account is still based on mythology. There is no evidence for any specific location for an Eden anywhere, and the mythical view of world without suffering and death.
IT is hopeless conjecture and speculation in an attempt to justify and make ancient mythology force fit with selective vague interpretation that is coincidence at best or worse..
Thanks for the kind words, and same to you.
YOU: "As an atheist though, you probably think that once a person dies, he doesn’t exist at all"
ME: "I don't assume that, but neither do I assume otherwise. I don't need to guess, and so I don't."
I have no basis for asserting that there will be no afterlife, so I don't. I also have no basis to assert that there will be one, so I don't say that either. That's agnosticism - whenever you don't know. That's the literal meaning of the word's roots: A(not)-gnostic(knowing)
"Agnostic first appeared in print in 1869 (it was possibly coined by the English biologist Thomas Henry Huxley), and was formed from the Greek agnōstos, meaning "unknown, unknowable." ... the prefix a-, meaning "without" ... Agnostic ultimately comes from the Greek root gignōskein, meaning "know" (also the source of such words as know and prognosis)."
The word can be used for any occasion when the answer is "I don't know." One can say, "I'm agnostic about that."
Is travel back in time possible? "I can neither assert that it is or that it is not, so I remain agnostic on the matter." How about libertarian free will? Does it exist? "Same answer. I'm agnostic. I don't know."
It's a little awkward to use for matters like, "Was Bill invited to the party?" But instead of answering, "I don't know," one could say that he is agnostic on the matter.
You probably know that we have a few theistic posters on RF for whom, "I'm an agnostic atheist. I'm an atheist because I can't confirm that gods exist and therefore have no god belief, but agnostic because I can't confirm that they don't and so don't assert that they don't exist" automatically is transformed to "He says there's no god."
YOU: "As an atheist though, you probably think that once a person dies, he doesn’t exist at all"
ME: "I don't assume that, but neither do I assume otherwise. I don't need to guess, and so I don't."
It seems that agnosticism in any form (not just for gods) is an elusive concept among many theists.
I have no basis for asserting that there will be no afterlife, so I don't. I also have no basis to assert that there will be one, so I don't say that either. That's agnosticism - whenever you don't know. That's the literal meaning of the word's roots: A(not)-gnostic(knowing)
"Agnostic first appeared in print in 1869 (it was possibly coined by the English biologist Thomas Henry Huxley), and was formed from the Greek agnōstos, meaning "unknown, unknowable." ... the prefix a-, meaning "without" ... Agnostic ultimately comes from the Greek root gignōskein, meaning "know" (also the source of such words as know and prognosis)."
The word can be used for any occasion when the answer is "I don't know." One can say, "I'm agnostic about that."
Is travel back in time possible? "I can neither assert that it is or that it is not, so I remain agnostic on the matter." How about libertarian free will? Does it exist? "Same answer. I'm agnostic. I don't know."
It's a little awkward to use for matters like, "Was Bill invited to the party?" But instead of answering, "I don't know," one could say that he is agnostic on the matter.
You probably know that we have a few theistic posters on RF for whom, "I'm an agnostic atheist. I'm an atheist because I can't confirm that gods exist and therefore have no god belief, but agnostic because I can't confirm that they don't and so don't assert that they don't exist" automatically is transformed to "He says there's no god."
GoodAttention
Well-Known Member
Thanks, given this will be the closest to a positive comment or compliment one will ever get from you, I am sincerely grateful.
Interesting. I guess we agree on the climatic history Eurasia and Africa after the last Ice Age.
Actually these changes led to the beginning and evolution of civilizations in the river valleys.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Thank you for educating me about the algae in the Red Sea. The question is, how does that connect with the biblical story? If this is an occasional happening, then it would not qualify to become applied in the sense of the Egyptians not being able to drink water, etc. Further It has to be read together with the plagues of frogs, lice, flies and boils. The five plagues taken together indicate absence of clean water, which is not established by these algae. Furthermore, the water of the Red Sea is in any case, not drinkable. Therefore, the word dam has to have a different meaning than mere Algal growth.I gave you a reference and you apparently ignore the references I provide and stoically inside on an Indus Valley scenario without any actual references to support your view.
The Red Sea contains a cyanobacteria called Trichodesmium erythraeum, which turns the normally blue-green water a reddish-brown. The water of the Red Sea can also appear red due to the presence of certain types of algae, which produce a reddish pigment as a byproduct of photosynthesis. The algae blooms can be caused by a variety of factors, including changes in water temperature, salinity, and nutrient levels.
What is Red Tide:"Red Sea" Red Tides - Google Search
Red tides are marine events that occur when algae and dinoflagellates, or other protists, grow rapidly, causing the water to discolor. This growth period is called a bloom, and in a 2–3 week period, each algal cell can produce up to 1 million daughter cells. The technical term for this phenomenon is algal bloom, but it's commonly known as a red tide because the water can turn red, green, or brown.
Red tides can have many negative impacts, including: Fish kills, Marine mammal kills, Shellfish bed closures, and Respiratory irritation at the shore.
The toxins released by the protists can also damage or kill marine life. For example, in the Red Sea, the algae Trichodesmium erythraeum can turn the blue-green water reddish-brown when it dies off.
Again I gave references and you choose to ignore them. Again, again and again the Bible claims Divine cause and no natural explanation necessary
Divine interventions do not need natural explanations. Nonetheless as previously described before and you ignored it.
How did the Red Sea part in Exodus? Medicane, storm surge, Rossby waves, suggests UK study
Moses, the prophet of God, led the Hebrews out of slavery from Egypt after the tenth plague (the death of firstborn sons in every Egyptian household) forced thewww.downtoearth.org.in
Bratcher added the translation “Red Sea” was simply a traditional one introduced into English by the King James Version Bible through the second century BC Greek Septuagint and the later Latin Vulgate. “It then became a traditional translation of the Hebrew terms (yam suph),” he said.
The northern end of the Red Sea, the Gulf of Suez, separates the mainland from the Sinai Peninsula and the ‘Land of Canaan’, to which the Israelites under Moses were headed.
The researchers’ first hypothesis for the water parting is a ‘negative’ storm surge caused by a Medicane. A negative storm surge happens when coastal waters fall to lower levels during an extreme weather event. It occurs most dramatically in inlets and bays such as the Gulf of Suez.
The researchers gave the example of Hurricane Irma, which caused parts of the waters off the Florida Peninsula to push back, exposing the sea floor.
An event like Hurricane Irma is not possible in the Red Sea or the Gulf of Suez. However, the Mediterranean (to which it now connects via the Suez Canal) and the Arabian Sea (to which it connects via the Strait of Bab El Mandeb) do host ‘Medicanes’, hurricane-like tropical storms.
Medicanes have recently wrought havoc on opposite shores of the Mediterranean — Greece in 2020 and Libya earlier this year, where at least 5,000 people died in the port of Derna.
“Tropical cyclones require a sea temperature of at least 27°C, as well as being in a low pressure region within 30° latitude of the equators low pressure region. Particularly in the Summer months, the Red Sea meets both of these requirements making a medicane, and the subsequent negative surge, a possible explanation to allow the Israelites to cross an exposed reef,” the researchers wrote.
The Biblical account also mentions a ‘strong east wind’ as having helped part the waters. The authors said a phenomenon known as ‘wind setdown’ matched this description.
If winds, at a speed of 28 ms-1 were to be “incident” for 12 hours, it would expose a raised reef in the Suez, where the Israelites would have crossed over into Sinai, Garatt and Kunverji hypothesised.
A third hypothesis they suggested was ‘tidal resonance’.
The phenomena occurs “when a sudden, unexpected external input, such as extreme wind, excites one of the resonant modes of a local region of the Red Sea, leading to a much more extreme low tide, exposing greater areas of the seabed,” the authors wrote.
One area where this has been seen is the Bay of Fundy on the United States-Canada border in the North Atlantic. There, “the tidal frequency is close to its natural frequency causing the most extreme tides on the planet,” the writers noted.
“Due to the greatest fluctuation in sea level, the Gulf of Suez represents the best location for Moses to have crossed due to any tidal extremes,” the researchers wrote.
The fourth and last hypothesis is Rossby waves. Garatt and Kunverji stated:
Interestingly, the authors noted that Napoleon Bonaparte’s account of his campaign against the Mamluks of Egypt in the 1790s also entailed crossing the Red Sea through tidal changes.
“Whether a miraculous act of God or due to some of the unlikely, coincidental phenomena discussed in this paper, the chance of ‘parting’ is not zero,” wrote the researchers in the study published in the Journal of Interdisciplinary Science Topics
Note Bold with Napoleon crossing the Red Sea
I am familiar with these alternate theories, but the main problem with these theories is that the Egyptians could easily go around the Bitter Lakes or the Red Sea and catch up with the Hebrews on the other side, and there is no indication in the Bible that all the Egyptian civilization was wiped out. Only the Pharaoh and those going with him would have been wiped out.
As previously described and you stoically refused to acknowledge. The small events are common but the extreme Red Tide events are very rare; Yes, when there are extreme events you cannot drink the water it is toxic' Nonetheless it adequately explains the event described in Exodus.
How many times do I have to repeat this. Adequate parallel explanations for the Indus Valley do not exist.
This would NOT be the case in extremes storm tides, though very rare they are known to have happened naturally,
Still ignoring the fact according to Exodus it is claimed that God used very rare Naturally occurring events that can have natural explanations.
Also, natural explanations are not necessary to explain acts of God, though potential Natural explanation exist in the history of Egypt as very rare events.
Where do you get the idea that there is any scenario that the Egyptian civilization was wiped out?
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Perhaps you do not see the irony in those extreme storm tides. The Hebrews are said to have crossed the seabed, yet you suggest that Pharaoh could not cross on dry land. This doesn’t make sense to me. Additionally, you have not addressed the four other plagues—lice, frogs, flies, and boils—and their relationship with the scarcity of water.
Perhaps?!?!?! Irony?!?!?! Nothing to see.
A storm tide are well known but rare, and could have caused by God based on natural circumstances in the inundation of the Egyptian Army. You are still neglecting the facts of Exodus and do not need a natural explanation.
You have presented nothing of substance beyond coincidence, conjecture and speculation to support an Indus Valley cultural agenda. I have repeatedly documented the archeological, historical, cultural, linguistic, and genetic direct links of the Hebrews to the Levant and Egypt and you have failed to respond and present any equivalent evidence for you Indus Valley scenario.
There is overwhelming evidence linking Hebrews as Canaanite tribes in the Hills of Judah dating back to before 3000 BCE. There is no such evidence to link the Hebrews to the Indus Valley.
wellwisher
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The story of Adam and Eve is not about genetics. The story is connected to a sudden rise in the sophistication of the human brain and consciousness. The Bronze Age or the Iron Age, are better parallels for Adam and Eve. These had less to do with DNA, but more to do with changes in the mind, that led to quantum advancement in sophistication. In the case of Adam and Eve it was the evolution of a secondary center of human consciousness; ego.
Humans are the only animal with two centers of consciousness. But this was not always the case. The earliest genetic based humans had one center; inner self, which is common to all natural animals and defines the conscious behavior of each species. The ego is relatively new on an evolutionary scale and is only common to humans. This is where will and choice appears; boost in sophistication. Before the ego, humans were under natural human instinct, symbolized by paradise. Paradise was not a place, but the state of the natural mind; inner self. Our perception of reality starts in the brain.
To go from migratory herding and gathering, to civilization, humans needed a secondary POV, besides their natural human instincts that had evolved over a million years. Animal do not just shut off instinct that evolved over eons, and go in a totally new direction. This is where the human ego or secondary center came in. Adam and Eve symbolized the rise of the first secondary centers; egos, in men and women. They had human DNA, so difference in DNA will not stand out if that is your only criteria. What will stand out are the drastic changes in behavior, that make them appear much more modern. The symbolism of Adam and Eve choosing to eat of the tree of knowledge; will and choice, apart from instinct; God, symbolized this change. There was a drastic departure from instinct in favor of the culturally learned behavior needed for civilization.
The rise of the ego is why religions appear. Religion is about reconnecting the ego to the inner self. The ego caused a separation; repression of the inner self, with the result, the inner self had to reach ego consciousness, from the outside via projection; spirits. All projection is, is the inner self using the same neural pathways as the sensory system, but triggered from within. It appears to come from outside.
The inner self is very natural and does not have the same cares and worries of the ego. The ego is shallow and therefore less stable. This is where cares and worries appear; death comes to the world. The inner self is rooted in the history of life. Both Buddha and Jesus recognized the inner man; inner self, and did so by placing the ego; outer man, in its proper place in terms of the neural hierarchy; humble.
If you wish to learn about the inner self there is a good primer book by the late Psychologist Carl Jung; The Undiscovered Self. The symbolism of religion and mythology are projected maps to the firmware of the inner self; archetypes of the collective unconscious common to all humans. The inner self controls the main frame parts of the brain and has higher human potential, as old as nature. The ego looks in the wrong places thinking inside is outside, maybe due to projection. This is why speculation of aliens are common to explain drastic changes. But this was all due to the inner self and egos that learned how to align and take advantage of the main frame.
Humans are the only animal with two centers of consciousness. But this was not always the case. The earliest genetic based humans had one center; inner self, which is common to all natural animals and defines the conscious behavior of each species. The ego is relatively new on an evolutionary scale and is only common to humans. This is where will and choice appears; boost in sophistication. Before the ego, humans were under natural human instinct, symbolized by paradise. Paradise was not a place, but the state of the natural mind; inner self. Our perception of reality starts in the brain.
To go from migratory herding and gathering, to civilization, humans needed a secondary POV, besides their natural human instincts that had evolved over a million years. Animal do not just shut off instinct that evolved over eons, and go in a totally new direction. This is where the human ego or secondary center came in. Adam and Eve symbolized the rise of the first secondary centers; egos, in men and women. They had human DNA, so difference in DNA will not stand out if that is your only criteria. What will stand out are the drastic changes in behavior, that make them appear much more modern. The symbolism of Adam and Eve choosing to eat of the tree of knowledge; will and choice, apart from instinct; God, symbolized this change. There was a drastic departure from instinct in favor of the culturally learned behavior needed for civilization.
The rise of the ego is why religions appear. Religion is about reconnecting the ego to the inner self. The ego caused a separation; repression of the inner self, with the result, the inner self had to reach ego consciousness, from the outside via projection; spirits. All projection is, is the inner self using the same neural pathways as the sensory system, but triggered from within. It appears to come from outside.
The inner self is very natural and does not have the same cares and worries of the ego. The ego is shallow and therefore less stable. This is where cares and worries appear; death comes to the world. The inner self is rooted in the history of life. Both Buddha and Jesus recognized the inner man; inner self, and did so by placing the ego; outer man, in its proper place in terms of the neural hierarchy; humble.
If you wish to learn about the inner self there is a good primer book by the late Psychologist Carl Jung; The Undiscovered Self. The symbolism of religion and mythology are projected maps to the firmware of the inner self; archetypes of the collective unconscious common to all humans. The inner self controls the main frame parts of the brain and has higher human potential, as old as nature. The ego looks in the wrong places thinking inside is outside, maybe due to projection. This is why speculation of aliens are common to explain drastic changes. But this was all due to the inner self and egos that learned how to align and take advantage of the main frame.