Advantages of Monotheism Amongst Religions

[mcteethinator]

IMO there is truth to be found in all religions, although that is not to say that all religions have the Ultimate Truth...but all religions can be perverted by those blinded by their own agendas.

That's what happened with Islam. after Muhammad died a lot of mysoginistic Arabs that suddenly found women had rights were all "Well I heard Muhammad say <Something in complete contradiction to the Qur'an> or "Well I heard Muhammad say that <very vague verse> means something <very specific>".

I'm not a Qur'an only Muslim, but I keep that in mind when I read hadiths. If they contradict the message of the Qur'an in some way shape or form I discard them.

 

[LoveNeverFails]

That's what happened with Islam. after Muhammad died a lot of mysoginistic Arabs that suddenly found women had rights were all "Well I heard Muhammad say <Something in complete contradiction to the Qur'an> or "Well I heard Muhammad say that <very vague verse> means something <very specific>".

I'm not a Qur'an only Muslim, but I keep that in mind when I read hadiths. If they contradict the message of the Qur'an in some way shape or form I discard them.

I'm afraid I don't know too much about Islam...I take it these mysoginistic Arabs wrote down their perversion of Muhammad's words, and then others mistook them for God's words?

 

[mcteethinator]

I'm afraid I don't know too much about Islam...I take it these mysoginistic Arabs wrote down their perversion of Muhammad's words, and then others mistook them for God's words?

Nope.

Basically

The Qur'an = direct message from Allah spoken through Muhammad.

Hadiths = Stories/sayings/etc of the Prophet. While not all of them are bad and we derive a lot of our practice from hadiths, a lot of pretty suspect stuff is in the Hadiths.

 

[LoveNeverFails]

Nope.

Basically

The Qur'an = direct message from Allah spoken through Muhammad.

Hadiths = Stories/sayings/etc of the Prophet. While not all of them are bad and we derive a lot of our practice from hadiths, a lot of pretty suspect stuff is in the Hadiths.

Is it from the Quran or the Hadiths that terrorists get the majority of their (obviously misguided) beliefs?

 

[mcteethinator]

Is it from the Quran or the Hadiths that terrorists get the majority of their (obviously misguided) beliefs?

it's a misintepretation of the Qur'an. The Muslims of the time knew the context of what Allah was saying when he referring to "kuffars" "unbelievers", etc. it was the Meccans who were attacking the Ummah (Muslim community). They had been patient and kind to them for about 13 years, waiting for them to stop, but they didn't so Allah gave them permission. Now, taken out of context, you can use these verses to justify violence against innocent civilians (And by out of context, I also mean these are the only verses you've ever read).

A lot of the wife-beating stuff is from the hadiths however. Hadiths gave mysoginistic Arab men the chance to revert a lot of the empowerment that Muhammad gave to the women.

there is however, a lot of stuff that terrorists fail to take into consideration. it is not simply an interpretational problem. For one thing, 9/11 killed about 300 Muslims. Now, it's a tremendous sin to kill another Muslim and to kill innocent people. Osama justified this by saying that the Muslims in America were infidels, which doesn't make any Islamic sense either, since you're not supposed to judge which self-declared Muslim is actually a Muslim and who isn't (Which is why I don't like Wahabbis, since they like to judge all Sufis and Shias as infidels).

Basically, the Qur'an says, for every innocent life you kill it is like killing all of humanity. When these violent verses were said, it was meant as a conventional warfare tactic, one army against another army. The killing of unarmed men, women, children, the elderly and monks is strictly prohibited. Since we can be definitely say the first four were in the WTC at the time, we can safely assume that Osama likes to twist the Qur'an to suit his own violent agenda.

Suicide bombers fall under this category too. How many people were actually attacking a suicide bomber when he went off?

 

[LoveNeverFails]

it's a misintepretation of the Qur'an. The Muslims of the time knew the context of what Allah was saying when he referring to "kuffars" "unbelievers", etc. it was the Meccans who were attacking the Ummah (Muslim community). They had been patient and kind to them for about 13 years, waiting for them to stop, but they didn't so Allah gave them permission. Now, taken out of context, you can use these verses to justify violence against innocent civilians (And by out of context, I also mean these are the only verses you've ever read).

A lot of the wife-beating stuff is from the hadiths however. Hadiths gave mysoginistic Arab men the chance to revert a lot of the empowerment that Muhammad gave to the women.

there is however, a lot of stuff that terrorists fail to take into consideration. it is not simply an interpretational problem. For one thing, 9/11 killed about 300 Muslims. Now, it's a tremendous sin to kill another Muslim and to kill innocent people. Osama justified this by saying that the Muslims in America were infidels, which doesn't make any Islamic sense either, since you're not supposed to judge which self-declared Muslim is actually a Muslim and who isn't (Which is why I don't like Wahabbis, since they like to judge all Sufis and Shias as infidels).

Basically, the Qur'an says, for every innocent life you kill it is like killing all of humanity. When these violent verses were said, it was meant as a conventional warfare tactic, one army against another army. The killing of unarmed men, women, children, the elderly and monks is strictly prohibited. Since we can be definitely say the first four were in the WTC at the time, we can safely assume that Osama likes to twist the Qur'an to suit his own violent agenda.

Suicide bombers fall under this category too. How many people were actually attacking a suicide bomber when he went off?

Thanks for explaining it to me...I have learned something!

How sad and frustrating for you. I know for me as a Christian, I get very angry at so-called Christians who blow up abortion clinics in the name of God! It's like...you call yourself pro-life and are killing people?

 

[mcteethinator]

Thanks for explaining it to me...I have learned something!

How sad and frustrating for you. I know for me as a Christian, I get very angry at so-called Christians who blow up abortion clinics in the name of God! It's like...you call yourself pro-life and are killing people?

Yes it doesn't make sense.

or being pro-life and being pro-death penalty at the same time.

There are wackos in every religion, our ones are just more murderous.

 

[Sahar]

it's a misintepretation of the Qur'an. The Muslims of the time knew the context of what Allah was saying when he referring to "kuffars" "unbelievers", etc. it was the Meccans who were attacking the Ummah (Muslim community). They had been patient and kind to them for about 13 years, waiting for them to stop, but they didn't so Allah gave them permission. Now, taken out of context, you can use these verses to justify violence against innocent civilians (And by out of context, I also mean these are the only verses you've ever read).

A lot of the wife-beating stuff is from the hadiths however. Hadiths gave mysoginistic Arab men the chance to revert a lot of the empowerment that Muhammad gave to the women.

there is however, a lot of stuff that terrorists fail to take into consideration. it is not simply an interpretational problem. For one thing, 9/11 killed about 300 Muslims. Now, it's a tremendous sin to kill another Muslim and to kill innocent people. Osama justified this by saying that the Muslims in America were infidels, which doesn't make any Islamic sense either, since you're not supposed to judge which self-declared Muslim is actually a Muslim and who isn't (Which is why I don't like Wahabbis, since they like to judge all Sufis and Shias as infidels).

Basically, the Qur'an says, for every innocent life you kill it is like killing all of humanity. When these violent verses were said, it was meant as a conventional warfare tactic, one army against another army. The killing of unarmed men, women, children, the elderly and monks is strictly prohibited. Since we can be definitely say the first four were in the WTC at the time, we can safely assume that Osama likes to twist the Qur'an to suit his own violent agenda.

Suicide bombers fall under this category too. How many people were actually attacking a suicide bomber when he went off?

I agree with most of what you're saying but i don't know why you are confusing many things; what "misogynistic" Arab men have to do with the thread, Sticking wife beating to the hadith whereas the hadith says the good of you don't beat their wives, then jumping to wahabism.

 

[YmirGF]

I agree with most of what you're saying but i don't know why you are confusing many things; what "misogynistic" Arab men have to do with the thread, Sticking wife beating to the hadith whereas the hadith says the good of you don't beat their wives, then jumping to wahabism.

McTeethinator is not confusing anything. The way I read his explanation it makes perfect sense to my understanding of Islam. Perhaps you should read what he is saying a few more times and then perhaps you will hear what he is saying.

Good work, McTeethinator! It is so nice having a Muslim around that can explain things and actually make sense. That is no small task. I offer my vote to give you an Ambassador Award and I have only read a scant few dozen of your posts. You have most certainly earned the title.

 

[Sahar]

McTeethinator is not confusing anything. The way I read his explanation it makes perfect sense to my understanding of Islam. Perhaps you should read what he is saying a few more times and then perhaps you will hear what he is saying. Good work, McTeethinator!

Lol...thanks for the advice.

 

[Sahar]

It is so nice having a Muslim around that can explain things and actually make sense. That is no small task. I offer my vote to give you an Ambassador Award and I have only read a scant few dozen of your posts. You have most certainly earned the title.

You have my vote....form reading his posts, i think he deserves admiration and respect. And i am proud that he is my BROTHER in Islam.

 

[mcteethinator]

I agree with most of what you're saying but i don't know why you are confusing many things; what "misogynistic" Arab men have to do with the thread, Sticking wife beating to the hadith whereas the hadith says the good of you don't beat their wives, then jumping to wahabism.

Well
A) Hadiths are from several different sources so it doesn't really make a difference if one hadith says one thing and another says something else. I have read a lot of anti-wife beating hadiths. I am simply saying that there are some hadiths which completely contradict the Qur'an's views towards women.
B) Arab culture is mysogynistic. Muhammad saw this and tried to fix it, but after he died a lot of rather suspect sayings of Muhammad started popping up, which I have in fact read so I know they're there. Why would Muhammad advocate something that is so completely out of touch with the teachings of the Qur'an? My view is that a lot of Arab men suddenly found their "property" with rights that they did not have before, and they did not like this so they started to ingrain their culture into Islam.
C) I don't see how exactly mentioning Wahabbism is a jump.

Good work, McTeethinator! It is so nice having a Muslim around that can explain things and actually make sense. That is no small task. I offer my vote to give you an Ambassador Award and I have only read a scant few dozen of your posts. You have most certainly earned the title.

You have my vote....form reading his posts, i think he deserves admiration and respect. And i am proud that he is my BROTHER in Islam.