Do you disagree with evolution as fact because you feel its an atheistic ideology or because you do not accept the conclusions scientist draw from science facts. I took advanced biology in High School and there seem to me to be a definite progression of complexity of life but all life had the same essential processes. Evolution seem to me to be a natural conclusion to everything I studied. I've always felt even though evolution was a theory the supporting evidence is so overwhelming it seemed to me to be science fact.
What it boils down to is world view. You have come to the conclusion that evolution is a fact and I have come to the conclusion that we were created. It only becomes problematic because it's a world view. You believe what you want to believe and I will do the same.
I was presented some information which I thought was silly. I didn't buy it. You could probably say the same. Even earlier then that I was presented with religious nonsense and I didn't buy that. When I was introduced to the alternative version by the JW's, and did about 6 months research I realized that most of the nonsense had come from Greek philosophy. Then I discovered the JWs had their problems as well.
The supernatural. There are things in the Bible hard to believe. I can say that a burning bush, a snake and a donkey never talked. The Bible doesn't imply these things. It does imply that there are highly intelligent beings in a form that we can't see, though they can see each other, that used the bush, the snake, the donkey as puppets to communicate with people.
There is no such thing as "atheistic propaganda". Atheism is not a political movement. Here is all atheism is:
What is Atheism? | American Atheists
All atheism is is a philosophical position on God or gods. All atheists claim is to have a lack of belief in God. The reason many atheists give for their lack of belief is because there is no evidence for the existence of God they would accept as valid evidence.
That doesn't mean anything. The same could have been said for squids or whales in the past. You know what the concept of God is, if you had to face evidence that he existed it wouldn't change your opinion of him. If God is the monster atheist often claim he is would that change your willingness to accept his promise of everlasting life in paradise because you had evidence? Most atheists don't like the idea of a God dictating to them how to live their lives, even in paradise. So reject God and live your life. Why waste a minute of your precious time arguing about it. You're not telling the children that Santa isn't true, if you have children you are probably telling them the lie.
So it isn't the alleged mythology you are concerned about. It isn't being excluded from a members only club that you don't want to be a part of anyway. You need affirmation of your world view. That is social and political.
Here's my problem with people like yourself. Evolution and atheism are irrelevant to a theist. Any theist who cares about evolution or atheism seems to me to be expressing a lack of faith in their own convictions. An omnipotent God can certainly create the Universe in any amount of time including ALL the fake fossil and carbon dating evidence. An omnipotent God could have created the Universe just minutes ago with all your fake memories intact. And omnipotent God has no boundaries or limitations. If you believe in the God of the Bible I see no reason why an omnipotent God could not be exactly like the God in the Bible. An omnipotent God can be many things all at the same time. An omnipotent God can be both pantheistic and Abrahamic. Omnipotent is really omnipotent.
And where in the Bible does it say God is Omnipotent? I will be making a thread on that today, and when I put forth the proposition that God isn't omnipotent, that that is religious nonsense, the atheists will continue to denounce God "If God isn't omnipotent he isn't worth my time." It would make no difference.
So to me, people like yourself, who care at all about atheism or evolution, seem to me you are expressing a lack of conviction of your faith in an omnipotent God. In my mind, evolution and atheism have absolutely no power over my convictions of faith. I think evolution is good science fact but it doesn't not change my convictions one iota. God's proving ground for faith is perfect in its construction.
Whatever, dude. Whatever works for you. I wish you the best.
I think there are a group of theists, and you may or may not be one, who's faith in God is so fragile, that evolution and atheism are a threat to their belief system. I think if your belief in God is so fragile that problem has nothing to do with evolution or atheism. Some evangelical Christians belief in God is so fragile the only way they continue to believe in God is by getting other people to accept their evangelical version of Christianity. Each person who converts some how confirms or strengthens the original person's belief system. Again, I think this a wrong approach. I think people of faith need to cultivate the strongest convictions of their faith so nothing will shake or change it.
I have absolute faith in Jehovah God. My problem is I have very little faith in myself. I've been knocked around quite a bit. I see the Christians of which you speak the same as atheists, only the other side of the same coin as I heard someone here say. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. It's a world view. I see the world as destroyed. None of that means anything to me.
My thing is seeing outside that box. With Hitler I was lied to about, the same as 911, and the Bible. I seek truth and I always find it buried under a great deal of nonsense.
Given the history of religion in this country I believe there are some science teachers who have an ax to grind against religion. For those people, teaching evolution is a way they can put religion down. It's not like people do not have good reasons to put religion down. The way religion is practice in this country people often accumulate huge amounts of money and power many times manipulating people against their own benefit. So the science teachers may have valid reason to grind an ax even if it's not very classy.
Well, it's human nature. The preachers are doing the same thing to the science teachers in church on Sunday. If you look past all of that you may see a glimmer of truth.
I listen to people such as yourself about evolution. I have no problem with evolution NOT being taught in school. And since evolution is so controversial for some people I have no problem if schools were more accommodating. There is huge amounts and plenty of biological science to teach that has NOTHING to do with evolution. I have no problem if schools choose not to teach evolution K-12 and just assume evolution is a college course. There are many college courses that are just way too controversial to teach to High School students. If our goal of High School education is to teach students good science the topic doesn't matter as much.
I think that science should be taught in schools as science sees fit to teach it. They should be left alone. The trouble is science doesn't teach in the schools, the government does. The governments, all except 3 (Iran, North Korea, Cuba) now, since Libya, are run by the banks. Al the same banks. The Rothschilds. The robber barons of the past are teaching the children in school. And they don't want you to be smart enough to be asking questions you shouldn't be asking. You know that.
God, in the book of Revelation, has promised to do away with all governments, religion, and commerce. Nothing else will fix our problems.
