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After all this time, now what?
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Trailblazer
Veteran Member
What is that supposed to mean?Alhumdulillah, InshAllah.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
It is kind of a little of both.... I am not that interested in talking about religion and I am not that interested in religion, but then I never was very interested in religion. I am a Baha'i because I believe it is the truth from God and the religion for this age, but I have never been very religious as far as practices and community activities are concerned. I do strive to follow the teachings and laws of the religion, but that is a personal thing.
greenboy21x
Member
hmmm very interesting choice of words. How old is the Bahai faith?
greenboy21x
Member
In order to avoid confusion and making myself look like an idiot, how about you please tell me, in your best "elevator pitch" aka 2-3 sentences, what you as a pagan believes?
greenboy21x
Member
Well as long as @Aupmanyav is accepting of it.
Not to sound like a jerk or a "know it all" but, what I said is not really up for interpretation
. It's just how the language works and means.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
It began in 1844 with the coming of the Bab but it became a religion with the declaration of Baha'u'llah in 1863.
https://bahaiteachings.org/the-birth-of-the-bahai-revelation
greenboy21x
Member
Well since there has been tremendous change to the world since 1844, how do you reconcile the 177 year gap between its inception till today by saying "the religion for this age"?
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Abdullah bin Umar said:
"When the belly of Makkah will be cleft open and through it will be dug out river-like passages (i.e. tunnels) and the buildings of the Holy City of Makkah will rise higher than its mountains, when you observe these signs, then understand that the time of trial is near at hand."
I don't believe that the Mahdi has come and gone.
In 1844, there were no tunnels or tall building in Makkah.
It was a relatively poor place with low-rise buildings.
The Bab was a Shia Muslim who claimed to be the 12th Imam.
Did he go to Makkah for pilgrimage?
Did he perform Salah?
Did he fast in Ramadan?
I don't believe that a true messenger of G-d will practice one religion, and then suddenly cancel it.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
The Baha'i Faith was revealed by Baha'u'llah who was a Messenger of God and He received His knowledge from God, so He knew what humanity would need for this entire age, which will last no less than 1000 years, from 1852 AD until at least 2852 AD. Anytime after that another Messenger of God could come and reveal a new religion that is pertinent to that new age.
In short, the Baha'i Writings contain the message, teachings and laws that humanity needs in this age, but as soon as God seems it necessary God will send a new Messenger with a new message, and new teachings and laws.
“The All-Knowing Physician hath His finger on the pulse of mankind. He perceiveth the disease, and prescribeth, in His unerring wisdom, the remedy. Every age hath its own problem, and every soul its particular aspiration. The remedy the world needeth in its present-day afflictions can never be the same as that which a subsequent age may require. Be anxiously concerned with the needs of the age ye live in, and center your deliberations on its exigencies and requirements.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 213
Progressive revelation is a core teaching in the Baháʼí Faith that suggests that religious truth is revealed by God progressively and cyclically over time through a series of divine Messengers, and that the teachings are tailored to suit the needs of the time and place of their appearance.[1][2] Thus, the Baháʼí teachings recognize the divine origin of several world religions as different stages in the history of one religion, while believing that the revelation of Baháʼu'lláh is the most recent (though not the last—that there will never be a last), and therefore the most relevant to modern society.[1]
Progressive revelation (Baháʼí) - Wikipedia
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Baha'is do not believe that ANY religion was revealed for all of time. There will always be another religion. All the religions are part of the One ever-unfolding Religion of God, revealed in different chapters at different times. That is the core belief if the Baha'i Faith called progressive revelation, as I just explained in the post above.
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Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Yea, you wouldn't want the official representative of the Republic of India to get mad at you.Well as long as @Aupmanyav is accepting of it.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
I know.
I showed my objections to it above.
The 12th. Imam is otherwise known as the Mahdi.
He is a figure for Muslims who will come at the end-times.
I quoted a hadith about the end-times.
We can see that it's all happening as we speak.
The pandemic, climate-change, the massive changes in the Arab peninsula .. it's unfolding now..
..and not in 1844.
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I am aware that people follow religions for a variety of reasons.
Sometimes people just like the idea of something, and so join it.
My ex-wife was a sanyasin .. she dressed in orange and went to India where shree rajneesh had a western following.
She became a Muslim eventually, and still is to this day.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I would not accept "All Indians are Hindus". Goes against my grain. We are a proudly secular country. I would not slight other religions by saying that. All Indians are Indians and only Hindus are Hindus. Others may be Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Ahmadiyyas, Bahais, Zoroastrians or Jews. We have all of them living together happily (mostly).Well as long as @Aupmanyav is accepting of it.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Why should we be worried and concerned? Life will take its own course. Why this apocalyptic statement? Does it prove the existence of some Allah or that this uneducated 19th Century Iranian preacher was a messenger of Allah. Not just a messenger, but a mirror copy of Allah?
Thank Allah that she is your ex-wife.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'm fine with it. Enlightenment is always under the rug. ;0]Sometimes I feel like us Hindus, Buddhists and Pagans get swept under the rug around here.
Right next to the forgotten hairballs?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That is not an apocalyptic statement and I did not say we should be worried, but if we don't do anything nothing will ever get better.
Nobody can prove that Allah exists or that a Messenger was sent by Allah. That is why it is called a belief.
No Messenger is a mirror copy of Allah, the Messengers simply mirror forth the attributes of Allah.
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
Or any Indian.