After Cutting Little Girls' Clitorises, Ivy League Doctor Tests Handiwork With a Vibrator

[Smoke]

I think for starters Dr. Poppas should be forced to have his penis resectioned to a tidier length, and then we can address his habit of using vibrators on little girls.

Why is this guy still licensed?

 

[Smokeless Indica]

I'm not against the surgery in general. If a WOMAN, keyword there; WOMAN, wants it done then by all means, but to do that to minors of any age is just sick and wrong. Honestly after reading this I think I'm going to be sick, and I lost my appetite. I was starving.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Which should we use, kerosene or home made napalm? Wooden torches or the fancy metal ones?

I get angry enough about unnecessary genital mutilation of baby boys in the US, I did not realize that it was also being done in the US to girls.[/quote]

Most little US boys who have had this done defend the practice, and repeat the process on their own boys.
They maintain that it never did them any harm.... How would they ever know.???

It is sometimes done in the UK, but most GP's do not even know how to do it.

 

[Duck]

Ok, after looking at the title and the location of the "study", I really have to wonder what kind of bs is going on at Weill Medical College?

Weill Medical College is also where that nut job was treating pregnant women with an experimental hormone (without telling them apparently that it was experimental, or following other established protocols regarding experimental drug treatments on pregnant women (hello thalidomide)) to treat, among other things, "career preferences deemed too masculine". Yes, I did pick out one of the more egregious quotes from the DOCTOR offering the treatments.

As Dan Savage pointed out, "Two things: Gay people have been stressing out about the day arriving when scientists developed treatments to prevent homosexuality. The preventing gay sheep freak out is here, Twilight of the Golds is here, and I recall—but can't quickly find a link for—a "fellow" at the Family Research Council or the American Family Association who backed in-utero hormone treatments to prevent homosexuality. Well, here we are—the day appears to have arrived. Now what are we going to do about it?"


Right-wingers have all ready stated that regardless of possible biologic causes for homosexuality, they will continue to regard homosexuality as a sinful behavior, and thus worthy of criminalization. Some extreme right wingers have indicated (cant find a link, sorry) that the tune sung by government-mandated-birthers ("pro-life" people) would change to allow the abortion of fetuses found to have predilections towards homosexuality.

So my question to those right wing people is: where do you stand on this issue? Are you for or against prenatal treatment intended to prevent "overly masculine career choices" by girls, or "feminine career choices" by boys? Ready to abort those gay babies?

 

[Duck]

Which should we use, kerosene or home made napalm? Wooden torches or the fancy metal ones?

I get angry enough about unnecessary genital mutilation of baby boys in the US, I did not realize that it was also being done in the US to girls.[/quote]

Most little US boys who have had this done defend the practice, and repeat the process on their own boys.
They maintain that it never did them any harm.... How would they ever know.???

It is sometimes done in the UK, but most GP's do not even know how to do it.

I have read articles that indicated that the doctors are pushing circumcision with statements regarding how the boys will be treated by peers (everybody is doing it), how will he feel looking different than dad, and unsubstantiated disease prevention crap (before the studies in africa regarding hiv transmission), and have even read some articles that allege the hospital staff performed the circumcision without parental permission. You know, as part and parcel of that take the baby, clean it up, weigh it, circumsize it, check its vitals, wrap it in a blankie, give it a pacifier and hand it to mom and dad for a photo op period of time.

 

[Sunstone]

Y'all are over-reacting. After all, we're only talking here about someone who, quite understandably, wants to control and maim girl's sexuality. It's not like we're talking about anything important.

 

[Duck]

When most of us think of female genital mutilation, we probably think of faraway places. Well, peel off those blinders. In 1997, our very own Department of Health and Human Services estimated that 168,000 girls and women living in the United States had been or were at risk of being subjected to some form of the abhorrent practice known as female genital mutilation (FGM).


Not only is FGM being practiced relatively widely in the United States, it's happening in the most hallowed halls of American medical science. In fact, the head of the pediatric urology department at Cornell University's New York Presbyterian Hospital -- which is often ranked among the top 10 hospitals in the country -- has been operating on young girls who suffer from what he (and likely the girls' guardians) have decided is "clitorimegaly," or oversized clitorises.


In order to relieve these girls from what seems like little more than a cosmestic issue, Dr. Dix P. Poppas cuts out parts of the clitoris' shaft, saving the glans, or tip, for reattachment. Poppas triumphantly calls the procedure -- rebranded a clitoroplasty -- a "nerve sparing" one unlike the FGMs practiced in other countries.


How does the good doctor know that nerves have been spared? Well, Poppas and his nurse practitioner developed a series of sensory followup tests involving Q-tips, their fingernails and vibrators. But don't worry, a family member was always present in the room. As the resulting journal article notes, management of such situations requires a "compassionate and multidisciplinary approach."


Activists Alice Dreger and Ellen K. Feder, a professor of medical humanities and bioethics and a professor of philosophy, respectively, have been railing against the practice of FGM -- of any kind -- for a decade. They are part of the majority medical view that questions the very basis of clitoroplasties. (The American Academy of Pediatrics disturbingly stated in May that it only had an issue with "all types of female genital cutting that pose risks of physical or psychological harm" -- as if any kind of clitoral mutilation did not necessarily entail such harm. The AAP recanted the shocking affront to women's physical and mental health only a few weeks later.)
"We still know of no evidence that a large clitoris increases psychological risk (so is the surgery even necessary?), and we do know of substantial anecdotal evidence that it does not increase risk. Importantly, there also seems to be evidence that clitoroplasties performed in infancy do increase risk – of harm to physical and sexual functioning, as well as psychosocial harm," Dreger and Feder wrote in an article lambasting Poppas' study...


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Let's debate this 'clitoroplasty'.


In what circumstances (if there even are any) would a clitoris need to be removed?

And another thing. Wasn't there recently some court case involving the pimping out of a young child with their parents present? Wasn't the child removed from the parents and the parents jailed?

How is using a vibrator on a little girl after an entirely cosmetic and unnecessary surgery NOT considered to be child exploitation?

This article makes me so freaking angry that I can't form coherent arguments.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Holy crap.

I hope this guy gets fried for this.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I think for starters Dr. Poppas should be forced to have his penis resectioned to a tidier length, and then we can address his habit of using vibrators on little girls.

Why is this guy still licensed?

That's my question.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

And another thing. Wasn't there recently some court case involving the pimping out of a young child with their parents present? Wasn't the child removed from the parents and the parents jailed?

How is using a vibrator on a little girl after an entirely cosmetic and unnecessary surgery NOT considered to be child exploitation?

This article makes me so freaking angry that I can't form coherent arguments.

I know.

We still have a long way to go.

 

[Father Heathen]

We are talking about mostly normal western Christian Americans, not minority cultures and religions. This is not a subculture tolerance issue.

This could invole someone related to yourself.

I am not

It's called sarcasm. Perhaps the craze will sweep your nation one day.

 

[dust1n]

The man should face criminal penalties....


I wonder if anyone will actually debate against my statement.

This is like.. unanimous ****** up. I've never seen such a thing in general debates.

 

[DallasApple]

I personally dont think they should cut the little girls clitoros off (to size thats normal) and then bring her back so the doctors and nurses can poke her with cutips and stimulate her with a vibrator to see if it "still works".

Thats slightly jacked up..

Im wondering how "deformed" these girls clitorises were ?..I SUPPOSE I could see if it was hanging down around her knees..???I would do something..

Love

Dallas

 

[Ordeet]

I looked this guy up on the internet. Looks like an ordinary White American guy.

The things people will do for money these days. Shameful, really, when profits are more important than human rights.

 

[AxisMundi]

In what circumstances (if there even are any) would a clitoris need to be removed?

Well, it's not actually removed, but it is still a disgusting display of not only child abuse, in my opinion, but of the insane bounderies Americans will go to to "fit in and and be beautiful", or at least what the media pushes on us as "beautiful".

Underage girls getting boob-jobs or having their meadenhead cut by a surgeon so they won't look like virgins anymore. Girls starving themselves into full blown bolemia in an effort to look skeletal like the imagined, and created, "beauty" of run-way fashion models.

And it's not doctors, or media from Disney to Mattel. These are comsumer driven industries.

I lay the blame fully at the feet of the parents who cater to these ideals and buy their daughters everything from Barbie to The Little Mermaid to Bratz to make-up kits for pre-adolecent girls.

 

[beenie]

there are no valid reasons (aside from gross abnormality...which is subjective) to remove, snip, cut, or otherwise alter any part of or the whole clitoris. it's brutal and barbaric.

this man should be charged with molestation. gross.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Which should we use, kerosene or home made napalm? Wooden torches or the fancy metal ones?

Well, I see "torch and pitch forks" as a classic image of a Medieval peasant uprising, so just some oil and wooden torches. Although, we can still use the home made napalm to sling at the doctor, anyone who defends him, his establishment if he isn't removed, his home, and his car. And keep the kerosene on hand so that we can soak his degrees and certifications in, and as they are soaking we can tie the "good doctor" to a good sized stake, make a good ring of wood and other flammable material a few feet away from this stake, and use his degrees and certifications to lite this fire, which according to some show I watched on the history channel about Medieval torture, should be a very long and excruciating death that takes about 15 minutes, versus the 3 to 5 minutes of a traditional burning.
Or better yet, we tie him up, get a super hot blow torch, and instead of searing his flesh off we put the flame to a good sized steak and poke him with a popsicle.

 

[Rakhel]

Well, I see "torch and pitch forks" as a classic image of a Medieval peasant uprising, so just some oil and wooden torches. Although, we can still use the home made napalm to sling at the doctor, anyone who defends him, his establishment if he isn't removed, his home, and his car. And keep the kerosene on hand so that we can soak his degrees and certifications in, and as they are soaking we can tie the "good doctor" to a good sized stake, make a good ring of wood and other flammable material a few feet away from this stake, and use his degrees and certifications to lite this fire, which according to some show I watched on the history channel about Medieval torture, should be a very long and excruciating death that takes about 15 minutes, versus the 3 to 5 minutes of a traditional burning.
Or better yet, we tie him up, get a super hot blow torch, and instead of searing his flesh off we put the flame to a good sized steak and poke him with a popsicle.

The Punisher!!!! I loved that part

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

Which should we use, kerosene or home made napalm?

Napalm. Definitely napalm.

Wooden torches or the fancy metal ones?

Whichever ones can function as offensive weapons to catch the survivors.

....

OK seriously I don't advocate responding to barbarism with barbarism. But I'd be perfectly fine with this guy being locked away for life.

I get angry enough about unnecessary genital mutilation of baby boys in the US, I did not realize that it was also being done in the US to girls.

 

[LittleSidhe]

I'm completely disgusted.