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After Science, What's Left For Religion?
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Neale
Debonaire Rationale
BruceDLimber said:
Very nice point! While I do agree with the overwhelming majority for this thread, I still think there's one thing left to consider: PHILOSOPHY.
Do you all feel that modern philosophy changed religion? Do the grounds of logic and reason pay heed to the "gaps" left by theological thought? Does modern metaphyiscs (the philosophical "genre," not the tarot/astrology/etc.) yield itself to aid theology, or does it break it down?
Spirit Channeller
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I would like to say here, after communicating with relatives and others in the After life for many years on a daily basis, I am certain when the human body dies, the Spirit leaves the body and takes with it all its memories and intelligence to the after life and can communicate back to earth through those who want to communicate with them and they can go on with ideas they didn't have time to finish while they were here on Earth and one day when I or you and everyone for that matter get to the Spirit World they too can return and communicate though people here on Earth.robtex said:
I of course cannot prove this to others and everyone has to learn to communicate and find their own truth because only those who have developed the abilities to see spirit and hear them and speak to them can be certain for themselves at least that all of this is true.
That's odd. The last time I communicated with my dead Venusian relatives, they told me that a bunch of pathetic charletans were impersonating your dead relatives, and repetedly warned me to focus on science and dismiss the mindless babble from the lunatic fringe. Of course, the validity of all such communication is highly suspect, so I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you ...Spirit Channeller said:
Neale said:Do you all feel that modern philosophy changed religion? Do the grounds of logic and reason pay heed to the "gaps" left by theological thought? Does modern metaphyiscs (the philosophical "genre," not the tarot/astrology/etc.) yield itself to aid theology, or does it break it down?
I'm curious: How would you respond to your own questions, Neale?
No. Some religious dogma purports to "explains WHO and WHY" and some do not, suggesting instead that "WHO and WHY" are inexplicable or cognitively meaningless. What, for example, is the "WHO and WHY" of Zen or Daoism?BruceDLimber said:
Jayhawker Soule said:
Unless I misunderstand something here, Spirit Channeller is not making the claim that his experiences are compelling to anyone besides himself, while you, on the other hand, are indeed making the claim that your experiences are compelling to Spirit Channeller. That surprises me and raises my curiosity. On what reasonable basis do you suppose your experiences might be compelling to Spirit Channeller?
That's unfortunate ...Sunstone said:
An-D
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If I recall properly, Freud's theory about religion was that people are neurotic. We see nature as negative. "With these forces nature rises up against us, majestic, cruel and inexorable; she brings to our mind once more our weakness and helplessness". So, in responce to this fear, the belief is that humans began to humanize religion. They began to shape and mold nature into these shapes that eventually evolved into the notion of gods. So, before science, this is how humans were able to explain nature. Before science, religion was our science. So, Freud concluded that the more we learn about our environment through science, the less we will need religion. The more we learn about our brains and behaviors and why we do bad things and good things, the less we will need religion. Eventually, occording to Freud, religion will not have a function in future societies. Everything will be evaluated and concluded through chemicals, cells, genes, and memes. And I agree with that. Once the human race figures out every dark secret that the brain holds, I believe we will have science to explain nature, good and evil, morality, disease, the nature of religion and people, and the need for religion will not exist any longer. (The essay I quoted and used for this conclusion was Sigmund Freud. The Future of an Illusion. Translated and edited by James Strachey. W.W. Norton and Co. New York: 1961.)
Spirit Channeller
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I hate to tell you this but Freud was wrong and now that he is in the Spirit World and his Spirit Very much alive and now that he knows there is truly Life After Death he no doubt looks for some human on Earth that he can talk through to further his thoughts.
Even Signumd Freud died like everyone else and when he did his Spirit with all its intelligence went to the after Life and when he arrived and looked around and realized how wrong he was I am wondering what he thought?
Did he then go and look for a Channel for Spirit to speak back to Earth and further some of his Ideas or did he just take a rest after being so wrong?
Even Signumd Freud died like everyone else and when he did his Spirit with all its intelligence went to the after Life and when he arrived and looked around and realized how wrong he was I am wondering what he thought?
Did he then go and look for a Channel for Spirit to speak back to Earth and further some of his Ideas or did he just take a rest after being so wrong?