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Afterlife of the non-believer in your faith

Breathe

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
ContentiusMaximus said:
Why, exactly, are non-believers wrong-doers simply for the fact of not believing?
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I've often wondered this myself, and why God would actually care if we choose to believe or not, or if we believe wrong?

In my opinion this view seems to portray God as being the host of an evil gameshow. "Behind one of these doors is a brand new car and a million dollars, behind the other doors, packs of starved man-eating wolves! Which door will our contestant choose?"

It kinda seems insulting in my mind and it makes this omnipotent supreme Deity that created everything in the universe appear.. well, petty.

Or am I the only one who thinks this? :D
 
Madhuri

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
ContentiusMaximus said:
Why, exactly, are non-believers wrong-doers simply for the fact of not believing?
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Why do you, as an atheist, call yourself a 'non-believer'? What you believe is something different to what theists believe. Your beliefs are just as legitimate as anybody's. I don't like the term 'non-believer' because it seems to imply not believing in something that is real. I don't know, it just seems to encourage that idea which is not correct. You are still a believer in something. It's just different.

Gosh, I'm a theist ranting on behalf of atheists. What's wrong with me?:facepalm:
 
Elessar

Elessar

Well-Known Member
Caladan said:
Do you think that at some point, you, or the collective belief system of any group you may be part of, would be able to reform the idea of viewing non believers as wrong doers?
do you whole heartedly believe that 'non believers' are on a different level of morality from 'believers' and need to have their ways corrected?
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Oh, no. From a Messianist point of view, all of us have sinned. I am no better than a nonbeliever in this perspective. I am no more or less guilty of having broken the Law than any other Jew, and no gentile is innocent of having broken the Noachide laws.

The difference being, as a Messianist, and having accepted Messiah's sacrifice as an eternal covering for my sins, in the manner of the Temple era animal sacricfices, I have therefore had my sins atoned for. Through the Messiah's free gift of salvation, I, and other believers, are excused from the penalties for our crimes. We didn't earn it in any way, nor do we deserve it. We receive it through the chesed, the lovingkindness, of G-d. As was written by Rav Sha'ul -

For what one earns from sin is death; but eternal life is what one receives as a free gift from G-d, in union with Messiah Yeshua our L-rd
-Romanim 6:23
 
Caladan

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Elessar said:
Oh, no. From a Messianist point of view, all of us have sinned. I am no better than a nonbeliever in this perspective. I am no more or less guilty of having broken the Law than any other Jew, and no gentile is innocent of having broken the Noachide laws.

The difference being, as a Messianist, and having accepted Messiah's sacrifice as an eternal covering for my sins, in the manner of the Temple era animal sacricfices, I have therefore had my sins atoned for. Through the Messiah's free gift of salvation, I, and other believers, are excused from the penalties for our crimes. We didn't earn it in any way, nor do we deserve it. We receive it through the chesed, the lovingkindness, of G-d. As was written by Rav Sha'ul -

For what one earns from sin is death; but eternal life is what one receives as a free gift from G-d, in union with Messiah Yeshua our L-rd
-Romanim 6:23
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Thats all nice and dandy, but the bottom line is, that people who don't share this belief are categorized in your system as misguided or rather as 'unbelievers'. while I don't think there is any reason to consider me misguided compared to anyone else, because of the beliefs we adhere to.
I'm not giving you a hard time, its simply that you need to understand, that I feel that it is as if you present your belief as a taboo, and there's no way for me to go around them in an objective discussion or debate, where we agree to put our bias aside.
 
Elessar

Elessar

Well-Known Member
I was, honestly, simply answering the question put forward honestly. That is what happens, in my belief, to the nonbeliever in the afterlife. That was the explicit question put forward in the opening post, and I answered it honestly. Really, how else was I supposed to answer the question?
 
V

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
Madhuri said:
Why do you, as an atheist, call yourself a 'non-believer'? What you believe is something different to what theists believe. Your beliefs are just as legitimate as anybody's. I don't like the term 'non-believer' because it seems to imply not believing in something that is real. I don't know, it just seems to encourage that idea which is not correct. You are still a believer in something. It's just different.

Gosh, I'm a theist ranting on behalf of atheists. What's wrong with me?:facepalm:
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:) You're one of us, now! *chants* One of us! One of us!!!
 
blackout

blackout

Violet.
Wherever you have "charged" yourSelf to be...

via continued action, belief, focus, renforcement, will, intent...
(this may twist unexpectedly out of favor for highly dogmatic people,
who suddenly condemn themselves, or leave themself in limbo...
at the last minute.)

Easy go lucky people get easy go lucky.
People who expect nothing... may get nothing... or anything... :shrug:
Perhaps some great suprise!
People who BELIEVE (in a hardcore/hardwired way) that they will experience nothing,
or blackness, lack of consciousness or existence...
may charge/hardwire that experience for themself.
If you're open to anything....
you may just find that eternity opens anything to you.

The judgemental may reap judgement...
The deeply loving... may reap deep experience of love...

Exactly I don't know.
But I do know that we bring our Own Self wherever we go.
This could be curse... or blessing...


I "charge" mySelf everyday to BEcome the most radiant, beautiful, exquisite,
magickal, and powerful heiress of Source my potential points towards.
I love who I AM BEcoming....
I would be quite happy to keep BEcoming an ever more glorious me.
This is my personal "charge".
I live in eternity all'ready.
 
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Harmonious

Well-Known Member
Madhuri said:
It depends entirely on the sort of person you are, and what you do in life. In fact, a very good atheist may have a better future life (reincarnation) that a very bad person who believes in God and practices the religion.
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You know, that is exactly what my religion says on the matter.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
What about no reincarnation?
Better life if you don't come back? sounds like a contradiction.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Some people do say we come back.
And I've had some personal experiences, that cause me to raise my brow at my own abilities.....as if I've done such things before.

But without more to offer, I can't affirm it.
 
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RomCat

Active Member
Eye has not seen. Ear has not heard. Nor has it even entered the mind of man what God has prepared for those who love Him.
 
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