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Afterlife
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This is just a more adult version of "when we die will go to heaven". For mature religious people, heaven is not people sitting around playing harps, or worshipping God for eternity, or even living on some utopian earth. It is obvious that if there is an afterlife, we will go to some higher plane of existence.Ryan2065 said:
How could we not? We are not going to have a lower plane of existence, and we are clearly not going to have exactly the same plane of existence, so it must be higher.
Darkdale
World Leader Pretend
Merlin said:
Wow, that is some pretty awful logic. There is absolutely no reason to suspect that if there is an afterlife we can conclude anything about what it will be like. It is your hope that it is a higher existence... but you cannot be even slightly certain that it is higher or lower or equal to your current existence. You have no cause. Afterlife mythologies are used to represent our hope that at least when we die we will achieve our ideal. It's a hope and it is different for everyone.
Despite their differences, almost all denominations of Christendom agree that humans have an immortal soul that survives the death of the body. Most believe that when a person dies, his soul may go to heaven. Some fear that their soul might go to a fiery hell or to purgatory. But the idea of an immortal soul is central to their view of a future life.
This widely accepted idea is one of the greatest misunderstandings of Christianity
Jehovah God did not create humans to go to heaven after they died. It was not his original purpose that they should die at all
Why does Christendom teach something so different from what the Bible says?
Christendoms doctrine of the immortality of the soul is derived from Greek philosophy. It was not revealed through Gods revelations to Israel or through the first-century congregation of anointed Christians
If there is no immortal soul, what is the real hope for the dead? It is, of course, the resurrection, a central Bible doctrine and a truly wonderful divine promise. Jesus held out the resurrection hope when he said to his friend Martha: "I am the resurrection and the life. He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life." (John 11:25) To believe in Jesus means to believe in the resurrection, not in an immortal soul
This widely accepted idea is one of the greatest misunderstandings of Christianity
Jehovah God did not create humans to go to heaven after they died. It was not his original purpose that they should die at all
Why does Christendom teach something so different from what the Bible says?
Christendoms doctrine of the immortality of the soul is derived from Greek philosophy. It was not revealed through Gods revelations to Israel or through the first-century congregation of anointed Christians
If there is no immortal soul, what is the real hope for the dead? It is, of course, the resurrection, a central Bible doctrine and a truly wonderful divine promise. Jesus held out the resurrection hope when he said to his friend Martha: "I am the resurrection and the life. He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life." (John 11:25) To believe in Jesus means to believe in the resurrection, not in an immortal soul
Ormiston
Well-Known Member
I think we need a clear definition of "afterlife" before we can even start discussing it. According to Merriam-Webster, it is simply "an existance after death". I think it is fair to claim that most, atheists included, believe we exist after we die. We're simply not alive during this existance. I don't see what is more or less boring about sitting next to some god and not being alive versus any alternatives. You're still not alive. Now I agree a resurrection is definately less boring but what's the point if you don't have any of your past memories? To me, living on beyond your death only occurs in the memories of the living and your physical remains. The idea of an eternal soul makes little difference whether it exists or not. I mean, for example, why would I care if my soul goes to heaven or hell? I've never even seen or met my soul and, therefore, don't even know if it exists or not.
Fascist Christ
Active Member
I object, because my vision of an afterlife is the same as most Atheists: there is none.Merlin said:
Now tell me, how can "nothing" be black, or have any color at all?
How can "nothing" be boring if there is "nothing" there that can get bored?
Is it too hard to understand that your perceptions just cease?
What do you suppose a blind man sees, all black? How can a blind man see anything if he is blind?
How about that time within sleep that you do not dream? Are you staring at blackness for hours, waiting for the movie to start?
I realize this may be getting a little off topic, so if you want to continue this part of the debate, feel free to use this thread:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20788
BeautifulMind
Member
Afterlife = God?
I think that an agnostic/atheist person can believe in something beyond this current life and still be considered agnostic/atheist.
I think that an agnostic/atheist person can believe in something beyond this current life and still be considered agnostic/atheist.