Prometheus
Semper Perconctor
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Thats an interesting theory - I have always hoped that rincarnation does exist! It is one of my favorite. The only problem I have with it, is if we keep having lives so that we can become good enough, surely that rules out hell or judgement (by God) for those who do seriously wrong and do not turn to God i.e Murderers etc. Or do you believe that only the Good are reincarnated?
I have been wondering.... If reincarnation exists then that means that someone can potential be in a terrible state of suffering for eternity if they do not change their ways...That seems pretty similar to the Christian idea of a permanent hell (other than the fact that with reincarnation there is always the opportunity for improvement while Hell is permanent)
Secondly, is it possible to know if whether people have the ability to improve themselves until they no longer sin? Can someone commit a bunch of horrific sins toward someone and then next week stop do some good things for someone else and move up the ladder? How is justice served to the first person all the sins were committed against.
Sorry for the barage of issues/tnagents on afterlife. I was just throwing random thoughts out.
Ok, I am hoping I am posting this in the right place. I get confused where I am!
I was just wondering everyones idea/perspective/belief on the afterlife - is there one? what does it consist of? or do our thoughts just perish. I am looking for everybodies answer so whether you are muslim, christian, pagan etc etc feel free.....
Many Thanks
Stripper factories and beer volcanoes.
Quakers and the after-life
Friends do not dogmatise about what happens after death. There are Friends who are convinced that there is an after-life, and those who are convinced that there is not. But all Friends feel that it is more important to get on with living this life, and seek to improve the conditions of humanity in this world, than to engage in speculations about the next.
Because it shouldn't worry them if they don't believe in Christianity. We all well know what Christianity teaches about the punishments of non-believers. They just simply don't buy the absurd idea. Worrying about this life is more important because it is (in my non-beliefs) the only life we have.I am not trying to rudely disagree with you (you had some good statements) but I think that the problem today is that people do not care about what happens to them in the future. But what it comes down to is that what happens to us after we die is a very serious question and the most important question that we can ask ourselves. For instance, the Christian belief of heaven and hell for eternity is serious (the scary thing is the Christian idea of it is not completely illogical). What I don't understand is why people don't take the question more seriously but just go about their lives as if it is not a big deal.
I understand what you are saying but just because someone believes in one option doesn't mean that the other options do not exist. It is like having the option of chosing between several roads to travel down. You have to make a decision and it would be foolish to make a decision without taking into consideration the other options. Do you think that an elderly person who is about to pass away is more concerned about the life he led or the future and where he will be going. You are right in that we need to be concerned about this life but is this short time on earth, that will be over with in a blink of an eye, be more important than the amount of time after this world. Whether an afterlife or not, its still a long time.Because it shouldn't worry them if they don't believe in Christianity. We all well know what Christianity teaches about the punishments of non-believers. They just simply don't buy the absurd idea. Worrying about this life is more important because it is (in my non-beliefs) the only life we have.
Are you concerned or just curious !!!Ok, I am hoping I am posting this in the right place. I get confused where I am!
I was just wondering everyones idea/perspective/belief on the afterlife - is there one? what does it consist of? or do our thoughts just perish. I am looking for everybodies answer so whether you are muslim, christian, pagan etc etc feel free.....
Many Thanks
Other possibilities exist yes. I tend to believe in a reincarnation, in which we are simply another Human in another time frame.I understand what you are saying but just because someone believes in one option doesn't mean that the other options do not exist. It is like having the option of chosing between several roads to travel down. You have to make a decision and it would be foolish to make a decision without taking into consideration the other options. Do you think that an elderly person who is about to pass away is more concerned about the life he led or the future and where he will be going. You are right in that we need to be concerned about this life but is this short time on earth, that will be over with in a blink of an eye, be more important than the amount of time after this world. Whether an afterlife or not, its still a long time.
Are you concerned or just curious !!!
Other possibilities exist yes. I tend to believe in a reincarnation, in which we are simply another Human in another time frame.
I took into serious consideration the possibility of any other religion being the 'right' religion. The concept of eternal Hell for choosing the wrong belief goes against Human reasoning and contradicts an omnibenevolent God. It is an illogical and malevolent attempt to punish His own creation. I would accept being punished to the extent that I sinned. That is why eternal Hell is not a use of discipline. It is nothing but torture and God is using it for His enjoyment of seeing Human souls burn and scream for eternity!Good point. I have to be honest and say that I currently believe in the Chirstian faith but I am not well informed on this topic so I will throw some ideas to bounce off of people because I would like to hear about other people's thoughts.
As for the afterlife. The fact of Hell in the afterlife is not the basis of the faith. It is that we do not have the abilities to save ourselves so we need someone to do it for us(Jesus). Those people who do not want to accept that, make the choice that they do not want to to be with God in the afterlife. So God sends them to be separated from Him (Hell). Hell is not a fire pit of torture. It means separation from God, that is all it means. It is eternal because it is committed against an eternal being (God). Similar to someone being be stuck in a low state (even considered tortur like state) of reincarnation eternally due to their continuous bad actions.(Probably not a good example, can't think of another one). Thanks for listening to what I had to throw out there. If anyone else has their take on this issue, throw it in.
The general idea is that 'death' is what one is 'saved' from, because if you realize a larger picture of reality it provides a context in which one can anticipate an existence that transcends 'life as we know it'.Tell me, what are we being 'saved' from? If we live happy moral lives just like Christian folk, what is the point of being saved? We live on earth, and then we die. Was there really anything to be saved from in the first place?
Sorry this is a long answer but I wanted to make sure we are on the same page as for understanding what side of the issue I am coming from.Tell me, what are we being 'saved' from? If we live happy moral lives just like Christian folk, what is the point of being saved? We live on earth, and then we die. Was there really anything to be saved from in the first place?