Age of Consent

[Buttercup]

But how is it repulsive? It's simple biology.

What I was repulsed by, strangely enough, was your openly blatant ageist comment against women 40+. It was awful, sorry to tell you.
Some of the sexiest women alive (imo) are around that age and I don't think they have any problem in the slightest attracting men.

As far as "simple" biology - if I may borrow that raw term - the truth is that most women who are 18-ish are not sexually attracted to men 40+.
The empirical truth is all around you.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Some of the sexiest women alive (imo) are around that age

Tell me about it.

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[Rival]

What I was repulsed by, strangely enough, was your openly blatant ageist comment against women 40+. It was awful, sorry to tell you.
Some of the sexiest women alive (imo) are around that age and I don't think they have any problem in the slightest attracting men.

As far as "simple" biology - if I may borrow that raw term - the truth is that most women who are 18-ish are not sexually attracted to men 40+.
The empirical truth is all around you.

Those forty plus women are probably wearing makeup and have done things to make themselves look artificially younger. Sorry, but nature herself is 'ageist'. Just the way it works. I never said 18 year olds were attracted to 40 year olds, but it is a very modern cultural construction that we ought to be with someone our own age. I disagree. More often that not I see girls swooning over celebs who are twice their age. It's completely normal.

 

[Debater Slayer]

That would be less normal. Menopause has a lot to do with sex. People are driven to have sex because of a drive to reproduce. A young female will conceive children faster and the children tend to be healthier. I believe one scientific journal reported that women who conceive after their mid thirties have a higher chance of having a Down Syndrome child, i.e, an unhealthy one. Of course older men are driven to seek young women. They are more visually appealing and overall healthier. One of my great loves was 20 years older than me

You seem to be working under the assumption that sex is just about reproduction. I think that couldn't be more wrong. Sex is also about bonding and pleasure, to name two significant things. As far as those go, preferences vary, and not everyone prefers young people.

 

[Buttercup]

Those forty plus women are probably wearing makeup and have done things to make themselves look artificially younger.

You're digging yourself a deeper hole.

I never said 18 year olds were attracted to 40 year olds, but it is a very modern cultural construction that we ought to be with someone our own age. I disagree. More often that not I see girls swooning over celebs who are twice their age. It's completely normal.

Swooning over celebs is one thing, but actually having a relationship with a man 20 years older is not that common and it's by choice.
I'm not saying there's necessarily anything wrong with having a sexual encounter or long term relationship with an older person.
Just want to make that clear.

 

[Rival]

You seem to be working under the assumption that sex is just about reproduction. I think that couldn't be more wrong. Sex is also about bonding and pleasure, to name two significant things. As far as those go, preferences vary, and not everyone prefers young people.

Yes but our unconscious choice of sexual partner does reflect our more primitive desires. I'm not saying sex can't be about love and so on, but our choice to begin with is based off our nature to choose the healthiest, fittest looking partner to ensure reproductive success even if we are not conscious of it.

 

[Rival]

You're digging yourself a deeper hole.

Whilst I agree with your latter statement, I don't see what you mean by this.

 

[Rival]

?????? Discriminating against what now?

 

[Buttercup]

Whilst I agree with your latter statement, I don't see what you mean by this.

Ooops. You're being discriminatory again and not very nice.

 

[Buttercup]

?????? Discriminating against what now?

I've tried to explain. If you don't see it, you need to educate yourself.

 

[Rival]

I've tried to explain. If you don't see it, you need to educate yourself.

No, I think you're being just too quick to call something discrimination.

 

[Thanda]

What I was repulsed by, strangely enough, was your openly blatant ageist comment against women 40+. It was awful, sorry to tell you.
Some of the sexiest women alive (imo) are around that age and I don't think they have any problem in the slightest attracting men.

I think you are very aware that this is not true. The choices tend to dry up as people get older and stats show there is higher proportion of married men at older ages than married women. So a single women in her forties is likely going to have a harder time attracting a mate then she would have 20 years before.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

To get back on topic, in the UK the law is
1. The basic age of consent is 16.
2. If the older partner is in a position of authority over the younger (employer, teacher), it's 18. The offence is not the same though: it's abuse of a position of authority.
3. If the younger partner is 14 and the older under 24, no prosecution can be carried out without the authorisation of the Attorney General. We don't want 17 year-olds landed with a criminal record for having sex with 15 year-olds, as in parts of the USA.

This seems a reasonable compromise, although I'd go for putting the age at puberty. As for the argument that 14 year olds aren't emotionally mature, I've known a few 40 year olds in the same boat.

 

[Buttercup]

I think you are very aware that this is not true.

I am? Thanks for thinking for me.

The choices tend to dry up as people get older and stats show there is higher proportion of married men at older ages than married women. So a single women in her forties is likely going to have a harder time attracting a mate then she would have 20 years before.

I had zero problem attracting men when I was in my 40's and single. Many much older women such as my mother and former mother in law tend to have no interest in marrying or dating again, they're done with taking care of men. Oftentimes, men have a more difficult time emotionally without a mate. That may be one reason why more men are married in their advanced years.

Both of us are stating opinions so I expect there to be differences.

 

[Quintessence]

What I was repulsed by, strangely enough, was your openly blatant ageist comment against women 40+.

Interesting. What bothered me about the comment was the implication that the value of a person - particularly a woman - hinges on their ability to (and by extension, their desire to) breed. I find this abhorrent in of itself, but even more so given it is unethical to encourage breeding in a species that is overpopulated.

 

[Buttercup]

Interesting. What bothered me about the comment was the implication that the value of a person - particularly a woman - hinges on their ability to (and by extension, their desire to) breed.

The comment bothered me in that regard as well but I chose to focus on the sexually attractive angle. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Thanda]

I am? Thanks for thinking for me.

Yes I am sure you are. I am sure you are someone who has access to more information than just the anecdotal evidence from their own life. I'm very sure you've heard older women express their concerns about no longer being noticed. I'm sure you've seen older women applying more make up then they used to cover up wrinkles. I'm sure you know some older women look to botox or other medical procedures to try turn back the hand of time.

I know you are aware of all of these things.

 

[Buttercup]

Yes I am sure you are. I am sure you are someone who has access to more information than just the anecdotal evidence from their own life. I'm very sure you've heard older women express their concerns about no longer being noticed. I'm sure you've seen older women applying more make up then they used to cover up wrinkles. I'm sure you know some older women look to botox or other medical procedures to try turn back the hand of time.

I know you are aware of all of these things.

And your comments aren't anecdotal? Prove it. At least I had the good sense to post the caveat that my comments were opinion.

 

[Thanda]

And your comments aren't anecdotal? Prove it. At least I had the good sense to post the caveat that my comments were opinion.

I'm not saying it's not anecdotal. I am merely saying that you saying you believe women in their forties don't have the "slightest" problem attracting mates is not a true reflection of all the information you have available to you. It may be a true representation of you personally in that you have personally not had any problem attracting mates but I believe you are well aware this is not the case with most women over the age of 40.

 

[Buttercup]

It may be a true representation of you personally in that you have personally not had any problem attracting mates but I believe you are well aware this is not the case with most women over the age of 40.

I'm sorry, but I am not aware that most women over 40 have a hard time attracting a mate. Not sure what else to tell you.