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Alex Jones banned from Facebook, Apple, Spotify, and Youtube.

Mindmaster

Mindmaster

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Ellen Brown said:
Aren't there medications for folk like him?
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Welcome to 1984 where opinions that are not authorized are removed from having any platform.

I don't agree with everything Jones says, but banning him means: what stops them from banning you? YouTube, Spotify, Facebook, and whatnot are dead. These platforms are basically the press at this point, and all of these working together to remove people basically amounts to corruption and denial of the 1st Amendment.

I'm against this for this reason not because I support everything Jones states. I will cancel/stop using any of these platforms until there are some protections in place.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
OtherSheep said:
Hate Speech Legislation is a gag order that they ALL will use on whomever they please, TBD. They start out going after what looks like the usual crack-pot, to the goatherd. But the sheep know better, and will defend your right to say whatever you please, if you allow us to do the same.

Which begs the question... what sort of mental weaklings need that Hate Speech Legislation, anyway? Why do they need the sort of brainwashed indoctrination that makes you afraid to say anything about everything? And what are they doing that they don't want talked about, even by cracked pots? Aren't they in a position to stand up, yet, and say, Yeah, we did, so what? The only reason for gag orders is so that people in the know don't give away the game, before it's so far along that it can't be stopped.

"'Ye may not, therefore, fear them, for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed, and hid, that shall not be known; that which I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light, and that which you hear at the ear, proclaim on the house-tops."--Jesus, Matthew 10
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This had absolutely nothing to do with "hate speech legislation" and everything to do with a private company enforcing their own policies that all users agree to before using their service. If it were some liberal crackpot rather than some conservative crackpot getting their channel shut down for breaking rules I doubt that you would've responded with a similar rant. Alex Jones still has plenty of platforms available through which to spew his nonsensical garbage.
by the way, it's ironic how you claim "sheep know better", but sheep tend to get fleeced and turned into mutton because of their tenancy to blindly follow.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Mindmaster said:
Welcome to 1984 where opinions that are not authorized are removed from having any platform.

I don't agree with everything Jones says, but banning him means: what stops them from banning you? YouTube, Spotify, Facebook, and whatnot are dead. These platforms are basically the press at this point, and all of these working together to remove people basically amounts to corruption and denial of the 1st Amendment.

I'm against this for this reason not because I support everything Jones states. I will cancel/stop using any of these platforms until there are some protections in place.
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First, the 1st amendment applies to the government. Private companies aren't obligated to be an unfettered soapbox for the public. Second, this action wasn't some arbitrary whim. Jones had repeatedly violated rules that were already in place. Users already agree to such polices before using their service, so to answer the question; following their rules stops them from banning you. So by all means, cancel/stop using such services, because you've neither absorbed nor offered anything of substance to begin with.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

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Btw...I didn't mean to blame "the left" for that,
In my country we don't even have the term "conservative" in politics, since the right-wing declares itself "innovative "

There are hidden powerful forces...Leo Zagami (member of Italians for Trump), the Italian correspondent for InfoWars talked about them.

Alex Jones has been speaking out for months against them...also exposing their connection between Europe and US.

As Paul J. Watson said, pro-Souverainist shows are uncomfortable...
InfoWars has also exposed the sex scandals of the Vatican...and focuses on serious issues, as for European politics
 
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Rational Agnostic

Rational Agnostic

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OtherSheep

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Father Heathen said:
This had absolutely nothing to do with "hate speech legislation" and everything to do with a private company enforcing their own policies that all users agree to before using their service. If it were some liberal crackpot rather than some conservative crackpot getting their channel shut down for breaking rules I doubt that you would've responded with a similar rant. Alex Jones still has plenty of platforms available through which to spew his nonsensical garbage.
by the way, it's ironic how you claim "sheep know better", but sheep tend to get fleeced and turned into mutton because of their tenancy to blindly follow.
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Heck, I'd even defend your right to say what you want, if you'd try allow me to do the same. ;)

Jones has just as much right to... vent his spleen... as you do. Short of lashing you to a chair and duct-taping your eyelids open, nobody is making you pay any attention to... well, anything, really.

Blindly following belongs to the lemmings, who do sit down and shut up. That ain't me.
Jack-booted thugs don't deserve to be followed anywhere by anyone.
Sheep follow Jesus, not strangers.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
YmirGF said:
There are never any sheep on the golf course when Jesus, god and I are having our bi-weekly 18 holes. (I'm pretty sure I would have noticed.)
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Perhaps God is from Wyoming:

Wyoming, the state where men are men, women are scarce, and the sheep are nervous.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

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OtherSheep said:
Heck, I'd even defend your right to say what you want, if you'd try allow me to do the same. ;)
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Likewise. As I've said in aother post, I oppose censorship and support free speech, but YouTube is a private company. If someone barged into your church screaming blasphemous things about your lord and savior, would you stand up for him when the rest of your congregation tries to kick him out? Of course you wouldn't, because it's a completely different scenario.

Jones has just as much right to... vent his spleen... as you do. Short of lashing you to a chair and duct-taping your eyelids open, nobody is making you pay any attention to... well, anything, really.
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Of course Alex Jones has a right to say whatever he wants and no one is stopping him. Being refused service for violating rules isn't the same being denied first amendment rights (which applies to government). Again, YouTube is a private company and isn't obligated to give anyone unfettered service, especially if they break the company's rules. He can find another platform through which to speak.
 
C

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Father Heathen said:
given that this is a private company rather than the government that's shutting him down, well...
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I don't remember clearly.
But is that what you opined about the NFL and Kaepernick?

I could be wrong, maybe it wasn't you. But lots of RF members declared that the NFL was trampling Kaep's rights when they told him to stop expressing his opinions at work. The NFL being a private company didn't enter into the equation then.
Tom
 
Mindmaster

Mindmaster

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Premium Member
Father Heathen said:
Of course Alex Jones has a right to say whatever he wants and no one is stopping him. Being refused service for violating rules isn't the same being denied first amendment rights (which applies to government). Again, YouTube is a private company and isn't obligated to give anyone unfettered service, especially if they break the company's rules. He can find another platform through which to speak.
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We could argue that because YouTube and other outlets effectively destroyed other platforms they have a monopoly of them and are more like public utilities, press mediums or Internet pipes. Anyway, if four or five of these platforms simultaneously ban you then your ability to speak freely is greatly diminished. There are alternatives, but the alternatives don't compete or have limited user counts. Certainly, Jones has some whacked ideas but occasionally he covers issues that the mainstream media is white washing or ignoring and are still important. I've never seen him broadcast any hate material and I don't view critical material as "hate". If he thinks transgenderism is bull****, or dislikes Islam I'm fine with that. He doesn't advocate harming anyone... The strikes he's received on his channel were largely bull**** and never reflected any reality based on his content. So are you OK with that? I'm not... and I think AJ is often an ***, but he's never the sort that I feel is a problem. Meanwhile, YouTube/Facebook/Apple/Googleplex are perfectly happy airing Jihadi videos and pedo material as well as other things most people would find disgusting. Those videos are still all up there, so while I find reasons to question what AJ says I find much more reason to question why or why are these platforms OK with this other content. AJ doesn't even make money on these platforms and hasn't for years... I just look at it as a sign of what's to come -- first it will be people like AJ that are the easy targets, then it'll be me and you for not following the borg collective.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

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columbus said:
I don't remember clearly.
But is that what you opined about the NFL and Kaepernick?

I could be wrong, maybe it wasn't you. But lots of RF members declared that the NFL was trampling Kaep's rights when they told him to stop expressing his opinions at work. The NFL being a private company didn't enter into the equation then.
Tom
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Admittedly I don't follow this closely (I couldn't give a **** less about the NFL) but was under the impression that, at least at the time, it wasn't against the rules but the NFL was being pressured by outside sources to change this. I don't recall evoking the 1st amendment in my arguments regarding this, but if I have then you would be right to call me out on my hypocrisy.
I suppose it all boils down to what messages these companies would choose not to facilitate and why.
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

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YmirGF said:
Then I saw references to lizard aliens and my brain shut down.
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I never really spent much time at all on Alex Jones' site, although I do recall hearing about the whole lizard alien idea. This is what immediately came to mind:

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https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/9/9b/Gorn.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110906165125

As for Jones, I never paid much attention to what he had to say about things. I guess he's built up quite a large following.

The bottom line here is this: I strongly believe that we can live in peaceful coexistence with the lizard aliens.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Father Heathen said:
Not all conservatives are conspiracy nuts, nor are all conspiracy nuts conservatives, but Alex Jones most certainly is a conservative. He is after all a staunch supporter of conservative parties, politicians, polices, platforms, etc. He's even good buddies with Trump, apparently.
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He's further Right than "Conservative territory," IMO. Much like Breitbart, Alex Jones represents a brand of Right-winger that lives in an alternative universe.
 
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