Do you not know all All those scriptures (beside John 3:16) were written to BELIEVERS, so keep that in mind.
They were written TO believers, yes, but does that mean that Christians=all people, or the entire world?
If God so loved everyone in the World who ever lived and will save ALL, then the pope is still WRONG cuz he said ONLY those who do good. RIGHT?
Wrong. You're misreading 1 Timothy 2. It says that God
wills that all men be saved. God wants everyone to be saved, and Jesus gave Himself as a ransom for
all men.
Where did I ever say that God will definitely fo sho 100 percent save everyone? I said this in the other topic in the General Religious Debates forum (man it's confusing having the same conversation in two threads lol)
Originally Posted by
Shiranui117
Yes, we must accept and continue in our redemption in order to be saved--but we are all redeemed, whether or not we believe.
Where it says ALL it means ALL that BELEIVE.
How do you know? On what authority do you say this?
EPh 2:8,9 goes on to say, "And not of Yourselves" WHAT? you mean there's nothing I can do to save myself? (no deeds) But wait is also says, "NOT BY WORKS" Case CLOSED! There's no deed we can think of to get us to heaven. "SO That NO ONE can boast." THe pope is Lying to the world!
See this post that I made in the other thread:
Originally Posted by
Shiranui117
Then how do you make sense of Revelations 20:12-13?
And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is
the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their
works,
by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were
judged, each one according to his
works.
Faith itself is a work. "To have faith" is an action, not just a state of being.
If anything, we Christians are going to be judged much more strictly on the Last Day, since we have the fullness of truth.
Christ says this in Luke 12:47-48:
47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare
himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many
stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.
Yes, we must accept and continue in our redemption in order to be saved--but we are all redeemed, whether or not we believe.
Also, I see you have no answer to the rest of the Scripture I posted. Are you going to concede the argument and admit that Jesus has redeemed everyone and everything, as the Scriptures teach?
No, we do not save ourselves, nor can we ever; above all else, we need God's love and grace. But we DO need to cooperate with that love and grace for our salvation, and we do most certainly have our own part to play in our salvation.
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Philippians 2:12
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence,
work out your own
salvation with fear and trembling;
1 Corinthians 15:1-2
Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved,
if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
I could post so much more on this, but I would like to keep the topic focused on not HOW we're saved, but WHO can be saved--since this is the point of the topic. We can move on to being saved by faith, or faith+works (which are the same thing) after we've settled that.
Yes, I might say to him that I don't personally believe in reincarnation, however I would thank him for his kind intent if he meant kindness by it.
