All humans agree that isis should go

[Servant_of_the_One1]

There is no Book and no religion that can justify the works of isis which all humans agree they are pure evil.
This group who are called dogs of hellfire are no less different than the murderer of Ali(r.a). The murderer believed he killed disbeliever( Ali r.a). It is a group condemned by the prophet Muhammad pbuh 1400 years ago.

ISIS video claims to show 17 Kurdish fighters in caged procession | Daily Mail Online

Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr:

I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body.' "

 

[dust1n]

Well, obviously not ALL humans, but yea, I think most people around the world tend to hate senseless violence and cruelty.

 

[gsa]

Yet strangely they do point to a book as justification. The same one the hellhole Shia theocracy of Iran points to when justifying the state murdering its nonexistent homosexual population.

 

[nazz]

I wish they would disappear from the face of the earth. I do not know how to make that happen.

 

[dust1n]

Yet strangely they do point to a book as justification. The same one the hellhole Shia theocracy of Iran points to when justifying the state murdering its nonexistent homosexual population.

Who knew that America overthrowing a democratically elected politician 62 years ago would result in such geopolitically disastrous consequences.

 

[gsa]

Who knew that America overthrowing a democratically elected politician 62 years ago would result in such geopolitically disastrous consequences.

As bad as the coup was, it was less that than support of the successor.

But not all the blame falls on US foreign policy, bad as it is.

 

[dust1n]

Yes, it's all America's fault. Each and everything that plagues the human race is America's fault. I woke up today with a cough---America's fault! My VHS player doesn't work anymore, which means I can't watch my Bruce Lee collection. Whose fault is that? America's!

I don't perceive of it that way at all. I'm sorry, is this diatribe suppose to lead to something?

 

[Brickjectivity]

Um, don't a lot of people in Syria and Iraq like ISIS? If that isn't the case then how does it function? Also I don't think living under ISIS is very different for Muslims in Syria and Iraq. It seems mainly to be an issue for the people that ISIS doesn't like, like Christians, Jews and Shias. I'm not sure that everybody is on the same page about ISIS. It has to have somebody in favor of it or it wouldn't exist.

 

[dust1n]

As bad as the coup was, it was less that than support of the successor.

But not all the blame falls on US foreign policy, bad as it is.

You are absolutely right. It's impossible to know how things would have turned out if the 1900 century wasn't rife with various parties attempting to maintain power, and in doing so, disarming regional autonomy.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Um, don't a lot of people in Syria and Iraq like ISIS? If that isn't the case then how does it function? Also I don't think living under ISIS is very different for Muslims in Syria and Iraq. It seems mainly to be an issue for the people that ISIS doesn't like, like Christians, Jews and Shias. I'm not sure that everybody is on the same page about ISIS. It has to have somebody in favor of it or it wouldn't exist.

Some sunnis support isis to **** off shia dominance in Iraq.
Too bad the Shias of Iraq function as puppets of Iran. And this is what Sunnis dont want. They dont want Iraq to become province of Iran. As for Iranians they see Iraq as part of Iranian empire or influence of power. They never gave up on Iraq.

The solution to get support of the sunnis is by giving then autonomous status and to fight all sectarian militias.

 

[dust1n]

No, was yours?

For you, consider the answer no for all intents and purposes.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Some sunnis support isis to **** off shia dominance in Iraq.
Too bad the Shias of Iraq function as puppets of Iran. And this is what Sunnis dont want. They dont want Iraq to become province of Iran. As for Iranians they see Iraq as part of Iranian empire or influence of power. They never gave up on Iraq.

The solution to get support of the sunnis is by giving then autonomous status and to fight all sectarian militias.

That is interesting, thanks. Who can give the Sunnis autonomous status? Are you referring to the current provisional government in Iraq and also Bashar Assad's government?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

@Brickjectivity

Iraqi Govt( if that exist) could give that.
But now there is no independent Iraqi Govt.
And Iran does not want that to happen.

People should think logic. Iraqi Sunni Tribes are far more stronger and bigger than Isis. Isis is 40.000. Iraqi Sunni Tribes are more than millions. Give them autonomy. They wont have to use isis again.

They want fair representation in the Govt and their own autonomy. Once that happen, i guarantee u the Tribes will defeat isis within short period.

 

[jeager106]

@Brickjectivity

Iraqi Govt( if that exist) could give that.
But now there is no independent Iraqi Govt.
And Iran does not want that to happen.

People should think logic. Iraqi Sunni Tribes are far more stronger and bigger than Isis. Isis is 40.000. Iraqi Sunni Tribes are more than millions. Give them autonomy. They wont have to use isis again.

They want fair representation in the Govt and their own autonomy. Once that happen, i guarantee u the Tribes will defeat isis within short period.

Really? The Arab tribes have been at war with one another for thousands of years.
They won't stop.
People of Arabic culture and tradition won't stop anything.
Tribes are still busy killing other tribes.
Sects of islam are still engrossed with murdering other sects of islam.
You need study the history of Arabic tribes.

 

[Flankerl]

Arab tribes unifying against a common enemy?

lol if that was possible there would have been a unified Arab state after they took Damascus from the Turks.


lol

 

[Brickjectivity]

People should think logic. Iraqi Sunni Tribes are far more stronger and bigger than Isis.

It has been difficult for westerners to understand the Tribe structure over there. We have families but not tribes. I am not sure how many centuries ago we lost tribes -- sometime after the fall of Rome I think. They were replaced by allegiance to the royals and nobility. Also the church provided some of the same things that a tribe would. Anyway, nowadays we use health insurance and at the moment the concept of extended family is weaker than ever.

 

[metis]

Even though I have long studied Middle Eastern culture, I was reminded this morning by Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski on "Morning Joe" of something that all too often slips my mind (an age thingy?), namely that what's taking place with groups like ISIS and al-Queda, plus the dismantling of some countries into more tribal elements, is actually a return to the "good old days".

The boundaries of the majority of countries there were established by European powers for their own convenience, so what's happening now is really a return to the way it used to be prior to the days of colonization.

Also, ZBig pretty much warns that both American and Europeans have to be wary of getting too much in the middle of the muck since we're not going to be having our way in the long run, and I do agree with him. Yes, we can and should help countries there deal with what's in their neighborhood as he suggests, and we westerners have to be careful in trying to "own" the area, especially since it's likely to backfire on us.

As westerners, it's often hard to relate to and understand this tribalistic tendency because it's not what our own history has been over the last few centuries, but a parallel can be drawn with what's going on in the Middle East by comparing it to the pre-Columbian Amerindian experience.

Anyhow, ZBig is big in my book, but I hate it when he reminds me of how much I tend to forget. Mean man.

 

[pro4life]

There is no Book and no religion that can justify the works of isis which all humans agree they are pure evil.
This group who are called dogs of hellfire are no less different than the murderer of Ali(r.a). The murderer believed he killed disbeliever( Ali r.a). It is a group condemned by the prophet Muhammad pbuh 1400 years ago.

ISIS video claims to show 17 Kurdish fighters in caged procession | Daily Mail Online

Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr:

I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body.' "

What sect of islam are you?

 

[Moishe3rd]

It has been difficult for westerners to understand the Tribe structure over there. We have families but not tribes. I am not sure how many centuries ago we lost tribes -- sometime after the fall of Rome I think. They were replaced by allegiance to the royals and nobility. Also the church provided some of the same things that a tribe would. Anyway, nowadays we use health insurance and at the moment the concept of extended family is weaker than ever.

From whence do you hail?
Factions; Families; Tribes; Clans; Sects; all appear to be the ONLY places where loyalties lie throughout most of the Muslim and Arab world.
Assad's Allawites keep him going. Remove the Allawites and Assad is gone.
The Saudi tribe OWNS all of the Arabian Peninsula in a country they named after themselves. After al Wahhab and al Saud hooked up, 250 years later, the heresy of Wahhabism has replaced normative Sunni Islam. The Islamic State derives its heresy from the musfidun ijtihad of Wahhabism.
Saddam was al-Tikriti.
Qaddafi was Qadhadhfa.
The clerics of Iran have adopted Khomeini's Shia heresy of Vilayat al Fiqh. It's a new Shia sect.
The Taliban were primarily Pashtun.
It goes on pretty much forever but whatever these people are - they have Zero loyalty to the "citizens" or inhabitants of whatever "State" they are conquering or controlling. Their loyalties are entirely with their own faction; tribe; sect; etc.

 

[Brickjectivity]

From whence do you hail?

USA in North Carolina & Virginia. People living in the USA typically have a 1st, a 2nd and 3rd name which we call the 'Surname' or the 'Lastname'. The first two names are chosen by the whim of the parents, and the lastname is usually copied from one's father. Our names don't create any legally binding connections whatsoever, except when we sign contracts. Our names are simply what people call us. We may change our names whenever we like, and there are also legal procedures to have our new names recognized. The most tribal events that occur here usually are the funerals of great-great grandparents with many grandchildren and the occasionally family 'Get together'. None of these events imply political affiliation. There are millions of people here with the lastname 'Smith', yet Smiths are not a faction. They're just people who happen to be called Smith.

There are genealogical records, but these are mostly just kept for historical purposes and to prevent the marriage of 2nd cousins.