All Religions could be right

[Ubon]

Religions are all man made with various rules set in place to ensure the followers please God.

What actually pleases God is not really knownà as every Religion differs slightly depending on the word of their prophet.

im sure we could agree that good moral behaviour would be pleasing to God.

If God or Gods are watching us would they really care what your wearing or what you do or dont eat.

would a God condemn you for simply eating something of coarse not.
Relious customs were defined by culture and regional practices of the times.

A Jew, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, hindu are all roaming the Earth, 4 individuals living a good moral life, would an intelligent loving God deny them the gifts of the afterlife and only accept one because he followed a few different customs.

surely a God that can see the hearts of each would welcome all 4 based on merit.

In my opinion and opinions vary so its mine i speak only the Religion does not matter its the indivuals behaviour that matters making all Religions capable of entering Gods Kingdom if such a place is real.

A God would surely base lifestyle over Religious choice after all God came before Religion.

 

[Brickjectivity]

You do not need to reply to me, but I just want to question your assumptions.

Religions are all man made with various rules set in place to ensure the followers please God.

A sweeping assumption you cannot support! Prove they are all man made.

What actually pleases God is not really knownà as every Religion differs slightly depending on the word of their prophet.

A sweeping assumption you cannot support! What if one prophet is right?

im sure we could agree that good moral behaviour would be pleasing to God.

On what basis? What if good moral behavior were not pleasing to God?

would a God condemn you for simply eating something of coarse not.
Relious customs were defined by culture and regional practices of the times.

Why wouldn't they?

A Jew, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, hindu are all roaming the Earth, 4 individuals living a good moral life, would an intelligent loving God deny them the gifts of the afterlife and only accept one because he followed a few different customs.

Would an intelligent loving God condemn someone to this place full of death and worms? We kill to live, and what we eat becomes a stinky nasty mess. What sort of person would do that to another?

surely a God that can see the hearts of each would welcome all 4 based on merit.

Lots of assumptions. Are you aware of them?

In my opinion and opinions vary so its mine i speak only the Religion does not matter its the indivuals behaviour that matters making all Religions capable of entering Gods Kingdom if such a place is real.

Ok, so we have a God who would place people in this this world of death and worms, and we want to go to his kingdom why? You want to get closer to the source of all of the trouble?

A God would surely base lifestyle over Religious choice after all God came before Religion.

Have you ever seen a tiny model railroad? Once in a while the engineer likes to make the trains crash.

 

[Orbit]

You do not need to reply to me, but I just want to question your assumptions.

A sweeping assumption you cannot support! Prove they are all man made.


A sweeping assumption you cannot support! What if one prophet is right?


On what basis? What if good moral behavior were not pleasing to God?


Why wouldn't they?


Would an intelligent loving God condemn someone to this place full of death and worms? We kill to live, and what we eat becomes a stinky nasty mess. What sort of person would do that to another?


Lots of assumptions. Are you aware of them?


Ok, so we have a God who would place people in this this world of death and worms, and we want to go to his kingdom why? You want to get closer to the source of all of the trouble?


Have you ever seen a tiny model railroad? Once in a while the engineer likes to make the trains crash.

Of course all religions are man made--who else would make them! It's men who "speak for God" if you believe in such things, but they are men. Men enforce religious laws, men decree "God says this or that". The only contact you have with God, in terms of religion-building, is thru men. Even Jesus was a man when he spoke, not a God.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Since religions are made by man, it is more likely that all religions could be wrong.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Of course all religions are man made--who else would make them! It's men who "speak for God" if you believe in such things, but they are men. Men enforce religious laws, men decree "God says this or that". The only contact you have with God, in terms of religion-building, is thru men. Even Jesus was a man when he spoke, not a God.

That sounds like a guess. I am a man, and weird things happen to me. What if some other man was contacted by something and wasn't making it up? What if they somehow resonated with the whole universe and received wisdom beyond their normal capacity or a message? We're an unusual species living a sad life of 1 in 4 children surviving. Maybe we have earned a few prophets? Maybe our big brains have attracted another big brain? We could be special.

 

[Enoch07]

im sure we could agree that good moral behaviour would be pleasing to God.

On what basis? What if good moral behavior were not pleasing to God?

To answer

Isaiah 64:6

6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Moral behavior while good and righteous is not good enough on its own. If some hypothetical person lives there whole life morally and never slipped up even once, maybe. But we are human and imperfect. We make mistakes. I have made many mistakes myself, so living the rest of my life a perfect moral beacon of society is not good enough on its own merit.

Sorry to interrupt. Just thought I'd add that in there.

 

[LuisDantas]

Sorry to disappoint the OP, but romantic as the thought may be, the practical problems are just too overwhelming.

For one thing, there is no such thing as "all religions" that can be somehow reconciled. Far too many of the movements that claim to be religions are unsuitable for such a goal. Some are all-out insane, even outright destructive, and at some point we have to acknowledge that.

As for mentioning gods - well, that is just never helpful in deciding what should be considered valid.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Moral behavior while good and righteous is not good enough on its own. If some hypothetical person lives there whole life morally and never slipped up even once, maybe. But we are human and imperfect. We make mistakes. I have made many mistakes myself, so living the rest of my life a perfect moral beacon of society is not good enough on its own merit.

There is a lot of good in doing good. Its not bad to do good. Making a small mistake is not a big deal when there is love involved, even some of the bigger mistakes. Also the single verse pulled from Isaiah seems irresponsibly quoted. The previous verse shows its about a particular situation where the people have been continually refusing to do the right thing and being very bad, extra bad, and so he says something like "How can we be salvaged. Our best has become like filthy rags." He doesn't appear to be saying "Oh, we were doing really well but made this one tiny mistake, so its all just filthy rags."

 

[Frater Sisyphus]

From a psychological (and analytical) point of view (assuming an atheistic position for this), I do see all religions as all representative of different aspects of the same cosmological, existential, moral, social/societal/political and personal needs.

Practically and spiritually, only so many religions (at one time) are able compatibly fit with each other without massive theological contradictions, so it clearly requires bending massive rules of orthodoxy (even so-called "heretical beliefs") to go outside that small amount that are compatible at one time.

 

[Skwim]

Since religions are made by man, it is more likely that all religions could be wrong.

In what way can a fictional construct, be it a novel or a religion, be wrong?

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[Father Heathen]

To answer

Isaiah 64:6

6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Moral behavior while good and righteous is not good enough on its own. If some hypothetical person lives there whole life morally and never slipped up even once, maybe. But we are human and imperfect. We make mistakes. I have made many mistakes myself, so living the rest of my life a perfect moral beacon of society is not good enough on its own merit.

Sorry to interrupt. Just thought I'd add that in there.

I.E. Your compassion, honor, character, conduct, etc. - everything that makes and defines who you are - means nothing to the abrahamic god. All that matters is that you caress and massage his ego, otherwise he'll torture you for eternity.

 

[Enoch07]

I.E. Your compassion, honor, character, conduct, etc. - everything that makes and defines who you are - means nothing to the abrahamic god. All that matters is that you caress and massage his ego, otherwise he'll torture you for eternity.

You are ignoring that you are not always honorable. You dishonor yourself and others regularly.

Your character is not perfect. Unless you claim it is?

Your conduct is not perfect. Unless you claim it is?

I know you don't claim to be perfect. But there is a flip side to all of those coins. As I have shown above. So yes these things alone are not enough. Maybe if you are perfect with no mistakes. But that is almost impossible.

 

[Father Heathen]

You are ignoring that you are not always honorable. You dishonor yourself and others regularly.

Your character is not perfect. Unless you claim it is?

Your conduct is not perfect. Unless you claim it is?

I know you don't claim to be perfect. But there is a flip side to all of those coins. As I have shown above. So yes these things alone are not enough. Maybe if you are perfect with no mistakes. But that is almost impossible.

So imperfection warrants eternal torture? The Biblical god created us a certain way only to punish us for it? Before you say "It's humankind's fault for eating some fruit." If humans were truly "perfect" at the start then they wouldn't have given in to temptation in the first place. So if we humoring the notion that Genesis is literal, then humans were set up to fail so God would gratify his apparent torture kink.

 

[sun rise]

Religions are all man made with various rules set in place to ensure the followers please God.

What actually pleases God is not really knownà as every Religion differs slightly depending on the word of their prophet.

im sure we could agree that good moral behaviour would be pleasing to God.

If God or Gods are watching us would they really care what your wearing or what you do or dont eat.

would a God condemn you for simply eating something of coarse not.
Relious customs were defined by culture and regional practices of the times.

A Jew, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, hindu are all roaming the Earth, 4 individuals living a good moral life, would an intelligent loving God deny them the gifts of the afterlife and only accept one because he followed a few different customs.

surely a God that can see the hearts of each would welcome all 4 based on merit.

In my opinion and opinions vary so its mine i speak only the Religion does not matter its the indivuals behaviour that matters making all Religions capable of entering Gods Kingdom if such a place is real.

A God would surely base lifestyle over Religious choice after all God came before Religion.

This is basically my position. I'm not sure that all religions would fit depending on your definition of religion, but all the major ones and many others definitely.

 

[Enoch07]

So imperfection warrants eternal torture? The Biblical god created us a certain way only to punish us for it? Before you say "It's humankind's fault for eating some fruit." If humans were truly "perfect" at the start then they wouldn't have given in to temptation in the first place. So if we humoring the notion that Genesis is literal, then humans were set up to fail so God would gratify his apparent torture kink.

Eternal torture is not biblical. The are no demons with pitchforks to eternally torture damned souls. Your thinking Dante's Divine Comedy not the Bible.

In order for free will to exist. There must be consequences to those choices. Just like we deal with everyday in life. You are free to break the speed limit all day, but if you get caught you will have to face the consequences.

 

[Father Heathen]

In order for free will to exist. There must be consequences to those choices. Just like we deal with everyday in life. You are free to break the speed limit all day, but if you get caught you will have to face the consequences.

Sure, but shouldn't consequences be proportionate? Should someone really be dealt everlasting punishment simply for failing to gratify god's apparently fragile ego?

 

[Enoch07]

Sure, but shouldn't consequences be proportionate? Should someone really be dealt everlasting punishment simply for failing to gratify god's apparently fragile ego?

It's not everlasting punishment. But a lifetime of a lifetime of sin accumulates going unchecked, then yes that means a possible punishment. Whatever punishment there is or is not is in between you and God. But if your not going to give Him a chance can you blame Him for not being lenient?

 

[Buddha Dharma]

I don't know about God @Ubon, but I do know Buddhism teaches that what people eat, wear, and such does matter because of non-violence. Not all religions teach non-violence as ideal, so they can't all be right/correct from our perspective.

On the subject of what people eat: I know that many lay Buddhists believe that because we can buy and prep meat, that equates to should. However, the Blessed One didn't believe it ideal that any followers of his buy or keep animals for slaughter. The exception is if vegetables are scarce and meat is abundant- like with Japan historically and it's population issues. If the Blessed One really thought it was preferred that any of his followers buy or consume meat- why chant from the Four Immeasurables: 'may all sentient beings be free from suffering and it's causes'?

The Tathagata intended his community to spread vegetarianism, ideally speaking. Where Buddhists are in a good position to be vegetarian- we ought to be. Religions that teach people otherwise are, again- clearly not right from our view in Buddhism.

As for rather all religions contain truth or not- I think they do in differing degrees. However, if the suggestion is they're all actually teaching and driving at the same thing- that's clearly not true.

Buddhism is not teaching what Islam does, as an example- that there is one God, and your eternal destiny in paradise or hell hinges on that assertion.

Buddhism is also not about pleasing God. It's about alleviating the suffering of all beings and release from Samsara.

 

[Skwim]

Eternal torture is not biblical.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Matthew 25:46
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
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Of course none of these use the word "torture" or any of cognates, but I think "tormented day and night," "eternal punishment," and "punished with everlasting destruction" qualify.

In order for free will to exist. There must be consequences to those choices.

Bull twaddle. This tired, old excuse for human suffering and god's unjust treatment of every living thing on earth was disposed with eons ago.

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[Enoch07]

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Matthew 25:46
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
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Of course none of these use the word "torture" or any of cognates, but I think "tormented day and night," "eternal punishment," and "punished with everlasting destruction" qualify.
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punished with everlasting destruction"

You nailed it here. It is not eternal torture. It is permanent destruction. Death of the soul. You will be retroactively deleted. You were never born, you never existed. That is "Hell", to be erased from existence.