All Scientists Should Be Militant Atheists

[leibowde84]

Using your format, 'deity does not exist', is not a valid claim. You are once again, applying your subjective belief, to the argument, in a manner that doesn't work. Simply because the user does not believe in a deity or the possibility of a deity, does not make it 'fact', logical, inferred, or anything else.

The burden always rests with the one claiming existence because proving a negative is impossible, especially in this context.

 

[leibowde84]

Simply because the user does not believe in a deity or the possibility of a deity, does not make it 'fact', logical, inferred, or anything else.

who made this claim? I certainly didn't.

 

[Desert Snake]

1. I am a theist, so I do believe in God.
2. Deity does not exist is also an unfalsifiable claim, to the best of my knowledge. But, asking to prove that something doesn't exist is also asking to prove a negative, which is why no one can prove that God does not exist.

In both, God must be sufficiently defined though in a way that specifies and limits exactly what the term is referring to.

No, it isn't a negative, though. That is where you are making the mistake in your equations/s. It's just that the user in this instance, has proposed a usage of ''proof'', that they can't deliver on. It's a ''negative'', according to your subjective labeling of such, it has nothing to do with -->fact.

 

[leibowde84]

No, it isn't a negative, though. That is where you are making the mistake in your equations/s. It's just that the user in this instance, has proposed a usage of ''proof'', that they can't deliver on. It's a ''negative'', according to your subjective labeling of such, it has nothing to do with -->fact.

How does the following definition of the term "negative" not apply here? The claim is "God does not exist".

Grammar & Logic(Of a word, clause, orproposition) expressing denial, negation, or refutation; stating or asserting that something is not the case. Contrasted with affirmative and interrogative.

 

[Desert Snake]

who made this claim? I certainly didn't.

You are inferring it from your insistence that my claim bears the burden of proof, above the burden of proof required from the user.

 

[leibowde84]

You are inferring it from your insistence that my claim bears the burden of proof, above the burden of proof required from the user.

This is certainly not true. Anyone affirming the existence of anything carries the burden of proof.

 

[Desert Snake]

How does the following definition of the term "negative" not apply here? The claim is "God does not exist".

Grammar & Logic(Of a word, clause, orproposition) expressing denial, negation, or refutation; stating or asserting that something is not the case. Contrasted with affirmative and interrogative.

You are affectively arguing against your own position, thank you. When the user made that proposition, ie 'deity doesn't exist'', they are asserting a claim that they cannot prove. What does that have to do with my beliefs? The user is making a ''claim'', i'm not.

 

[leibowde84]

You are inferring it from your insistence that my claim bears the burden of proof, above the burden of proof required from the user.

For example, can you prove that aliens or unicorns don't exist?

 

[leibowde84]

You are affectively arguing against your own position, thank you. When the user made that proposition, ie 'deity doesn't exist'', they are asserting a claim that they cannot prove. What does that have to do with my beliefs? The user is making a ''claim'', i'm not.

So you don't claim that God exists?

 

[Desert Snake]

For example, can you prove that aliens or unicorns don't exist?

I'm not the one claiming that deity doesn't exist, the other user was. So, your question is pointless.

 

[leibowde84]

I'm not the one claiming that deity doesn't exist, the other user was. So, your question is pointless.

I was under the impression that you are claiming that God does exist.

 

[Desert Snake]

So you don't claim that God exists?

What?
anyways,
The other user claimed that deity does not exist. that's THEIR CLAIM. Therefore, the onus is on them to prove that, I have no idea why would you be asking me to prove something doesn't exist when it wasn't even my claim in the first place.

 

[leibowde84]

I'm not the one claiming that deity doesn't exist, the other user was. So, your question is pointless.

And, asking you to support a claim is not making the claim that you are wrong. Every claim should be supported or it is merely a guess.

 

[Desert Snake]

I was under the impression that you are claiming that God does exist.

Yes, that's my position. You are calling it a claim, I suppose implicit claim, whatever.

 

[leibowde84]

What?
anyways,
The other user claimed that deity does not exist. that's THEIR CLAIM. Therefore, the onus is on them to prove that, I have no idea why would you be asking me to prove something doesn't exist when it wasn't even my claim in the first place.

Your claim was that God does exist, right? That is a claim.

 

[leibowde84]

Yes, that's my position. You are calling it a claim, I suppose implicit claim, whatever.

Yes, it is without a doubt an affirmative claim to say that something exists. It is explicit too.

 

[Desert Snake]

And, asking you to support a claim is not making the claim that you are wrong. Every claim should be supported or it is merely a guess.

Not in argumentation. Ie, it isn't my job to ''convince'' someone else that Deity exists.

 

[Desert Snake]

Yes, it is without a doubt an affirmative claim to say that something exists. It is explicit too.

Therefore?

 

[leibowde84]

Not in argumentation. Ie, it isn't my job to ''convince'' someone else that Deity exists.

In argumentation it is absolutely your responsibility to support an affirmative claim.

 

[leibowde84]

Therefore?

You are responsible to support that claim.