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Allah is ENERGY

Matheist

Matheist

http://animist.net
Shad said:
Irrelevant question with no answer. You will just asserted everything is one without demonstration of it and call it a day. Your tactics are transparent

You have not countered my point ergo my point stands and your argument is babble.
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That's where you have missed the point.


The maximum number OF EVERYTHING IS ONE (1). There is not even 1 + 1 (Shirk).

Say: Allah, is ONE (1). (112:1)
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
Matheist said:
That's where you have missed the point.


The maximum number OF EVERYTHING IS ONE (1). There is not even 1 + 1 (Shirk).

Say: Allah, is ONE (1). (112:1)
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No. I just anticipated exactly what you just posted as a tactic

You are using a silly math trick not a demonstration of anything. Yawn

More so everything exists within the universe this Allah is limited thus not God. You refuted yourself, again.
 
Matheist

Matheist

http://animist.net
Shad said:
No. I just anticipated exactly what you just posted as a tactic

You are using a silly math trick not a demonstration of anything. Yawn
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If that is not a demonstration, then it is your burden to prove the existence of more than "1". I can only understand the concept of "1" and "0". 1101011011.. in fact, there is no "0" AND merely describing the transformation of Energy; ie. the High and Low energy levels.

So please prove the existence is more than "1".
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
Matheist said:
If that is not a demonstration, then it is your burden for the existence of more than "1".
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Nope. I can reject an argument without any obligation to make a counter proposal especially when you rely on a grade school math trick as if it means anything.

I can only understand the concept of "1" and "0". 1101111011.. in fact, there is no "0" AND merely describing the transformation of Energy; ie. High and Low energy level.
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That is your problem than not mine.

So please prove the existence is more than "1".
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Nope as I am not required to make a counter proposal when refuting your argument. Your argument is horrible as you do not understand the words you use nor the concept behind those words when applied to physics. Yawn.

You merely post sophistry.
 
Matheist

Matheist

http://animist.net
Shad said:
Nope. I can reject an argument without any obligation to make a counter proposal especially when you rely on a grade school math trick as if it means anything.



That is your problem than not mine.



Nope as I am not required to make a counter proposal when refuting your argument. Your argument is horrible as you do not understand the words you use nor the concept behind those words when applied to physics. Yawn.

You merely post sophistry.
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You make the blind claim, and you cannot prove or gave reason and evidence to support your claim. I have no further argument from you.
 
T

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Matheist said:
Allah is the "Light (Energy)". (Quran 24:35)

لا إله إلا الله

لا إله (No God/Matter)
إلا الله (Only Energy)​

Chapter 112: Law of Conservation of Energy

1. Say: He, "Energy", is One (1).
2. "Energy", the Absolute (1 & 0).
3. "Energy" did not reproduce (cannot be destroyed), and "Energy" was not born (cannot be created).
4. And none (0) is like "Energy" (1).​

Allah is the LordLaw of the Universe. (Quran 1:2)

That is Allah [what is Allah? Allah is] your LordLaw. There is no LordLaw but Him [What is the LordLaw? It is] the Creator of everything [LordLaw of Nature]. So serve Him [Natural Order]. He is responsible for everything [of its Cause & Effect]. (Quran 6:102)

That is Allah [what is Allah? Allah is] your LordLaw [What is the LordLaw? It is] the Creator of everything [LordLaw of Nature]. There is no LordLaw but Him — so how can you be so deluded? (Quran 40:62)​

When he came to the Fire he was called: "O Moses. I (FIRE) am your Lord!" (Quran 20:13)

(Like the fire of Moses which he saw as what he needed. It was Allah but he did not perceive it.)

Moses said ‘[Allah is] LordLaw of the East and West and everything between them. If you would only use your reason!’ (Quran 26:28)​

History

Sufi metaphysics - Wikipedia


What is man?

Man from a clot (higgs boson) / magnetic particles (atoms). (Quran 96:2)

[Man from] Light upon light (transformation of Energy). (Quran 24:35)


Here is Allah

32874_24729099215382ab0d877fd828c553ba.jpg
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The first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. So if energy cannot be created, then it always was, and If it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end. Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this material universe at the time of the Big Bang was pure electromagnetic energy, which has been converted to that which we perceive as matter only to be reconverted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch. If you believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, [in Kantian terminology, an end-in-itself] --------- self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry”? Then you must accept that it is the eternal energy which has neither beginning or end, that has become this material universe and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] or God has become.

God, the eternal energy, is the collective consciousness of all that he has become.

In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists discovered that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.

That which we perceive as matter can be and is created. All matter can be and is reconverted to the eternal energy from which it was created. Flesh and blood does not inherit eternity, only the invisible mind that develops from the information taken in through the senses of the created body. That is why Paul said that the physical body had to come first .

When the body, in which ‘YOU’ the invisible mind or spirit would develop, was born and took its first breath, an individual entity, completely separate from the information taken in by the mother body, began to form, through the information that was taken in through the senses of that body,

“YOU,” as a human being, are Body, Soul and Spirit, but “YOU” the invisible mind, are spirit. The body in which you, [The mind] are developing as the supreme head and controller of that body, is made up of the universal elements, which is activated by the soul [Animating life force] to which all the spirit [gathered information] of all your ancestors, human and pre-human has been gathered in its evolution to become who you are, and that parental spirit dwells behind the veil of the flesh to the inner most sanctuary of its temporary earthly tabernacle or tent, which is your physical body, as it awaits the creation of its glorious temple of incorruptible Light. [THE SON OF MAN]

If that body in which your parental spirit dwells, were born without the sense of sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, etc, then no information whatsoever could be taken into the brain, and “YOU” who are spirit [Gathered information] could never have begun to develop and the living body, in which the parental spirit dwells, would soon die, never having developed a personality or “CONTROLLING GODHEAD” to that body, which godhead should be an obedient servant to “WHO YOU ARE.”

When the body in which you [the mind] are being formed, dies, [This is the first death] and your body of “skin, flesh, muscle, blood, bone, brain matter etc, etc,” has returned to the universal elements from which it was created, all that remains, is a shadow or rather, a facsimile of YOU, the mind or spirit, that has been imprinted into the universal life force or soul, from which it will be resurrected in the next cycle of universal activity.

Nothing Is Solid & Everything Is Energy – Scientists Explain The World of Quantum Physics*
 
Matheist

Matheist

http://animist.net
The Anointed said:
The first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. So if energy cannot be created, then it always was, and If it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end. Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this material universe at the time of the Big Bang was pure electromagnetic energy, which has been converted to that which we perceive as matter only to be reconverted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch. If you believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, [in Kantian terminology, an end-in-itself] --------- self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry”? Then you must accept that it is the eternal energy which has neither beginning or end, that has become this material universe and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] or God has become.

God, the eternal energy, is the collective consciousness of all that he has become.

In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists discovered that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.

That which we perceive as matter can be and is created. All matter can be and is reconverted to the eternal energy from which it was created. Flesh and blood does not inherit eternity, only the invisible mind that develops from the information taken in through the senses of the created body. That is why Paul said that the physical body had to come first .

When the body, in which ‘YOU’ the invisible mind or spirit would develop, was born and took its first breath, an individual entity, completely separate from the information taken in by the mother body, began to form, through the information that was taken in through the senses of that body,

“YOU,” as a human being, are Body, Soul and Spirit, but “YOU” the invisible mind, are spirit. The body in which you, [The mind] are developing as the supreme head and controller of that body, is made up of the universal elements, which is activated by the soul [Animating life force] to which all the spirit [gathered information] of all your ancestors, human and pre-human has been gathered in its evolution to become who you are, and that parental spirit dwells behind the veil of the flesh to the inner most sanctuary of its temporary earthly tabernacle or tent, which is your physical body, as it awaits the creation of its glorious temple of incorruptible Light. [THE SON OF MAN]

If that body in which your parental spirit dwells, were born without the sense of sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, etc, then no information whatsoever could be taken into the brain, and “YOU” who are spirit [Gathered information] could never have begun to develop and the living body, in which the parental spirit dwells, would soon die, never having developed a personality or “CONTROLLING GODHEAD” to that body, which godhead should be an obedient servant to “WHO YOU ARE.”

When the body in which you [the mind] are being formed, dies, [This is the first death] and your body of “skin, flesh, muscle, blood, bone, brain matter etc, etc,” has returned to the universal elements from which it was created, all that remains, is a shadow or rather, a facsimile of YOU, the mind or spirit, that has been imprinted into the universal life force or soul, from which it will be resurrected in the next cycle of universal activity.

Nothing Is Solid & Everything Is Energy – Scientists Explain The World of Quantum Physics*
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We are dreaming.
 
Jeremiah Ames

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
Matheist said:
Allah is the "Light (Energy)". (Quran 24:35)

لا إله إلا الله

لا إله (No God/Matter)
إلا الله (Only Energy)​

Chapter 112: Law of Conservation of Energy

1. Say: He, "Energy", is One (1).
2. "Energy", the Absolute (1 & 0).
3. "Energy" did not reproduce (cannot be destroyed), and "Energy" was not born (cannot be created).
4. And none (0) is like "Energy" (1).​

Allah is the LordLaw of the Universe. (Quran 1:2)

That is Allah [what is Allah? Allah is] your LordLaw. There is no LordLaw but Him [What is the LordLaw? It is] the Creator of everything [LordLaw of Nature]. So serve Him [Natural Order]. He is responsible for everything [of its Cause & Effect]. (Quran 6:102)

That is Allah [what is Allah? Allah is] your LordLaw [What is the LordLaw? It is] the Creator of everything [LordLaw of Nature]. There is no LordLaw but Him — so how can you be so deluded? (Quran 40:62)​

When he came to the Fire he was called: "O Moses. I (FIRE) am your Lord!" (Quran 20:13)

(Like the fire of Moses which he saw as what he needed. It was Allah but he did not perceive it.)

Moses said ‘[Allah is] LordLaw of the East and West and everything between them. If you would only use your reason!’ (Quran 26:28)​

History

Sufi metaphysics - Wikipedia


What is man?

Man from a clot (higgs boson) / magnetic particles (atoms). (Quran 96:2)

[Man from] Light upon light (transformation of Energy). (Quran 24:35)


Here is Allah

32874_24729099215382ab0d877fd828c553ba.jpg
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This is quite incredible to me.

I’m not exactly following what you’re getting at with the science part, but the remainder aligns perfectly with something I have been studying recently.

In the question A or B, I would have to answer B. There is no reality. Not in our physical universe. The things we see and think of as real are manifestations from God.
 
Looncall

Looncall

Well-Known Member
Matheist said:
There are two points here:

1. Allah is the Light of Everything, the One Energy, and the maximum number we can get from everything is "1. It is quantified as 1.

2. The "Light upon Light 24:35", the Energy upon Energy or the transformation of Energy. We can quantify the transformation of Energy.​
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Word salad. Why are islamists so foolish?
 
ratiocinator

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Duke_Leto said:
You really don’t understand physics. Matter can be converted into energy; this happens constantly in the sun. Energy can likewise be transformed into matter.
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I suggest you read the article I linked to (by a working physicist). There is no such thing as "pure energy" there has to be something that has energy. For example, a photon, is a particle that has energy.

"Matter" is a vague term that has no exact meaning in physics - it depends on the context.

So matter cannot be transformed into energy, some particles you might be labelling "matter" can be transformed into more energetic particles that you might not count as matter, and mass may be turned into energy.

Energy isn't stuff.
 
ratiocinator

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
The Anointed said:
The first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. So if energy cannot be created, then it always was, and If it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end. Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this material universe at the time of the Big Bang was pure electromagnetic energy, which has been converted to that which we perceive as matter only to be reconverted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch. If you believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, [in Kantian terminology, an end-in-itself] --------- self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry”? Then you must accept that it is the eternal energy which has neither beginning or end, that has become this material universe and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] or God has become.

God, the eternal energy, is the collective consciousness of all that he has become.

In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists discovered that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.

That which we perceive as matter can be and is created. All matter can be and is reconverted to the eternal energy from which it was created. Flesh and blood does not inherit eternity, only the invisible mind that develops from the information taken in through the senses of the created body. That is why Paul said that the physical body had to come first .

When the body, in which ‘YOU’ the invisible mind or spirit would develop, was born and took its first breath, an individual entity, completely separate from the information taken in by the mother body, began to form, through the information that was taken in through the senses of that body,

“YOU,” as a human being, are Body, Soul and Spirit, but “YOU” the invisible mind, are spirit. The body in which you, [The mind] are developing as the supreme head and controller of that body, is made up of the universal elements, which is activated by the soul [Animating life force] to which all the spirit [gathered information] of all your ancestors, human and pre-human has been gathered in its evolution to become who you are, and that parental spirit dwells behind the veil of the flesh to the inner most sanctuary of its temporary earthly tabernacle or tent, which is your physical body, as it awaits the creation of its glorious temple of incorruptible Light. [THE SON OF MAN]

If that body in which your parental spirit dwells, were born without the sense of sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, etc, then no information whatsoever could be taken into the brain, and “YOU” who are spirit [Gathered information] could never have begun to develop and the living body, in which the parental spirit dwells, would soon die, never having developed a personality or “CONTROLLING GODHEAD” to that body, which godhead should be an obedient servant to “WHO YOU ARE.”

When the body in which you [the mind] are being formed, dies, [This is the first death] and your body of “skin, flesh, muscle, blood, bone, brain matter etc, etc,” has returned to the universal elements from which it was created, all that remains, is a shadow or rather, a facsimile of YOU, the mind or spirit, that has been imprinted into the universal life force or soul, from which it will be resurrected in the next cycle of universal activity.

Nothing Is Solid & Everything Is Energy – Scientists Explain The World of Quantum Physics*
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This is still scientifically illiterate nonsense from an article written by a tax advisor.
 
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