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Allah is ENERGY

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Allah is the "Light (Energy)". (Quran 24:35)

لا إله إلا الله

لا إله (No God/Matter)
إلا الله (Only Energy)​

Chapter 112: Law of Conservation of Energy

1. Say: He, "Energy", is One (1).
2. "Energy", the Absolute (1 & 0).
3. "Energy" did not reproduce (cannot be destroyed), and "Energy" was not born (cannot be created).
4. And none (0) is like "Energy" (1).​

Allah is the LordLaw of the Universe. (Quran 1:2)

That is Allah [what is Allah? Allah is] your LordLaw. There is no LordLaw but Him [What is the LordLaw? It is] the Creator of everything [LordLaw of Nature]. So serve Him [Natural Order]. He is responsible for everything [of its Cause & Effect]. (Quran 6:102)

That is Allah [what is Allah? Allah is] your LordLaw [What is the LordLaw? It is] the Creator of everything [LordLaw of Nature]. There is no LordLaw but Him — so how can you be so deluded? (Quran 40:62)​

When he came to the Fire he was called: "O Moses. I (FIRE) am your Lord!" (Quran 20:13)

(Like the fire of Moses which he saw as what he needed. It was Allah but he did not perceive it.)

Moses said ‘[Allah is] LordLaw of the East and West and everything between them. If you would only use your reason!’ (Quran 26:28)​

History

Sufi metaphysics - Wikipedia


What is man?

Man from a clot (higgs boson) / magnetic particles (atoms). (Quran 96:2)

[Man from] Light upon light (transformation of Energy). (Quran 24:35)


Here is Allah

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Long, very long before Mohammed came up with his Allah, God was described as pure light by the Jewish scriptures.

500 years before Allah showed up, the Christian scriptures described the God of Israel as pure light.

Plagiarism has been around a long time
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
FIRST STAGE & CORRUPTED by POLITICAL JURISPRUDENCE

We sent down the Torah containing guidance and light, and the Prophets who had submitted themselves gave judgement by it for the Jews — as did their scholars and their rabbis — by what they had been allowed to preserve of Allah´s Book to which they were witnesses. Do not be afraid of people, be afraid of Me. And do not sell My Signs for a paltry price. Those who do not judge by what Allah has sent down, such people are kafirun. We prescribed for them in it: a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and retaliation for wounds. But if anyone forgoes that as a sadaqa, it will act as expiation for him. Those who do not judge by what Allah has sent down, such people are wrongdoers.

SECOND STAGE & CORRUPTED

And We sent ´Isa son of Maryam following in their footsteps, confirming the Torah that came before him. We gave him the Gospel containing guidance and light, confirming the Torah that came before it, and as guidance and admonition for those who have taqwa. The people of the Gospel should judge by what Allah sent down in it. Those who do not judge by what Allah has sent down, such people are deviators.

THIRD STAGE & TEXT PRESERVATION

And We have sent down the Book to you with truth, confirming and conserving the previous Books. So judge between them by what Allah has sent down and do not follow their whims and desires deviating from the Truth that has come to you. We have appointed a law and a practice for every one of you. Had Allah willed, He would have made you a single community (of all gods same god), but He wanted to test you regarding what has come to you. So compete with each other in doing good. Every one of you will return to Allah and He will inform you regarding the things about which you differed.

ACTION TO BE TAKEN

Judge between them by what Allah (LordLaw of Nature) has sent down and do not follow their whims and desires (for RELIGISM). And beware of them lest they lure you away from some of what Allah has sent down to you. If they turn their backs, then know that Allah wants to afflict them with some of their wrong actions. Many of mankind are deviators.

(Quran 5:44-49)

ALL GODS SAME GOD

Say: ´People of the Book (of Forced Justice)! you have nothing to stand on until you implement the Torah and the Gospel and what has been sent down to you from your Lord.´ What has been sent down to you from your Lord increases many of them in insolence and kufr (schism, religism). So do not waste your grief on the people of the kafirun (Unnaturalist / 30:30-32). (Quran 5:68)
Sigh, OK, you quote your book of the latecomer Mohammed, who borrowed some from the Jews, some from the Christians, and made the rest up.
 

Matheist

http://animist.net
another form of ring composition..​

Do jihad for Allah with the jihad due to Him. He has selected you and not placed any constraint upon you in the deen — the religion of your forefather Ibrahim. He named you Muslims before and also in this, so that the Messenger could be witness against you and you could be witnesses against all mankind. So establish salat and pay zakat and hold fast to Allah. He is your Protector — the Best Protector, the Best Helper. (Quran 22:78)

Do jihad for Allah

with the jihad due to Him.​

He has selected you​

and not placed any constraint upon you in the deen​

the faith of your fatherhood Ibrahim. (the definition of Islam, and its whole context in the Quran - the whole mission)​

He named you Muslims before and also in this,​

so that the Messenger could be witness against you and you could be witnesses against all mankind.​

So establish 'natural duty of; salat and contribute toward purification and hold fast to Allah.​

He is your Protector — the Best Protector, the Best Helper.
 
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exchemist

Veteran Member
As I have said before, it is irrelevant who recorded the results of some of the greatest minds in the field of Quantum physics, those results are proven fact, all is but energy converted to that which we perceive as Matter and will one day be reconverted to the eternal energy which has neither beginning or end.
This post is scientifically illiterate.

- The "results" of a mind can only refer to the theory, rather than the supporting data, and no theory in science is ever "proven fact".

- There is no way for all energy to be "converted" into matter.

- And there is no reason to think matter has no beginning, especially since the prevailing cosmological model postulates that all matter did have a beginning
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
This post is scientifically illiterate.

- The "results" of a mind can only refer to the theory, rather than the supporting data, and no theory in science is ever "proven fact".

- There is no way for all energy to be "converted" into matter.

- And there is no reason to think matter has no beginning, especially since the prevailing cosmological model postulates that all matter did have a beginning

All matter did have a beginning.

According to the most popular scientific theory of creation, it is said that In the beginning, of this particular universe, there was the “BIG BANG” which is said to have spatially separated the supposed infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity, which in my opinion was the White Hole at the end of the Great Abyss into which the previous universe had descended, this event spewed out a liquid like soup of electromagnetic energy in the trillions upon trillions of degrees, no matter could exist in that heat.

it was from the quantum of that plasma liquid-like electromagnetic energy that the earth and all the heavenly bodies would be created, and although, all that the earth was created from, was already there in the beginning, the earth at that time had neither shape or mass, which meant it was formless and void, and no suns had yet come into existence to light up the darkness of the expanding space. But there was momentum within that ever-cooling cosmic cloud of wave particles, which wave particles are the quantum of that liquid like electromagnetic energy, and are not really particles at all as they have zero mass and no electric charge, yet they carry angular and linear momentum.

One would expect, that those wave particles which are the quantum of the liquid like electromagnetic energy, would have continued to expand further and further away from each other in the expansion of the universal building material, which was energy that has neither beginning or end.

But with the angular momentum of those waves, they collided with each other in nuclear fusion in the creation of the first basic sub-atomic particles. As the universal temperature dropped to some billions of degrees, the dark energy which was the expansion’s acceleration force, began to form into dark matter, hydrogen and helium, with trace quantities of lithium, beryllium, and boron.

Within moments of the expansion, the universal temperature had dropped to some billions of degrees, and the vibrating wave particles, which were the quantum of that energy, collided in nuclear fusion reactions to form hydrogen and helium and when the universal temperature had cooled to a point where fusion stopped generating these basic elements, it left hydrogen as the dominant component from which the first gigantic stars were created, through gravitational attraction, in which massive atomic reactors, the heavier elements, such as carbon and oxygen, etc, would be created.

Bursting into life and light throughout the primitive universe over an unknown period of time, those first generation stars would have been thousands upon thousands of times as massive as our Sun and millions of times as bright, but each one burned for only a few million years before meeting a violent end, when they exploded out in a brilliant flash before collapsing in upon themselves creating the massive centrally condensed systems called ‘Black Holes,’ in which the greater percentage of their mass was trapped. The first creative day ended as all those gigantic stars collapsed Those first gigantic stars, from which the galaxies would later be created and which would have been collapsing in upon themselves, and evening descended as the lights of the universe went out, and the black holes devoured each other, and darkness covered the contracting space.

And there was evening and morning, Day one. Because, from darkness came the Light, the Hebrews, Egyptians, and other ancient cultures begin their day with 12 hours of darkness followed by 12 hours of light.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
All matter did have a beginning.

According to the most popular scientific theory of creation, it is said that In the beginning, of this particular universe, there was the “BIG BANG” which is said to have spatially separated the supposed infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity, which in my opinion was the White Hole at the end of the Great Abyss into which the previous universe had descended, this event spewed out a liquid like soup of electromagnetic energy in the trillions upon trillions of degrees, no matter could exist in that heat.

it was from the quantum of that plasma liquid-like electromagnetic energy that the earth and all the heavenly bodies would be created, and although, all that the earth was created from, was already there in the beginning, the earth at that time had neither shape or mass, which meant it was formless and void, and no suns had yet come into existence to light up the darkness of the expanding space. But there was momentum within that ever-cooling cosmic cloud of wave particles, which wave particles are the quantum of that liquid like electromagnetic energy, and are not really particles at all as they have zero mass and no electric charge, yet they carry angular and linear momentum.

One would expect, that those wave particles which are the quantum of the liquid like electromagnetic energy, would have continued to expand further and further away from each other in the expansion of the universal building material, which was energy that has neither beginning or end.

But with the angular momentum of those waves, they collided with each other in nuclear fusion in the creation of the first basic sub-atomic particles. As the universal temperature dropped to some billions of degrees, the dark energy which was the expansion’s acceleration force, began to form into dark matter, hydrogen and helium, with trace quantities of lithium, beryllium, and boron.

Within moments of the expansion, the universal temperature had dropped to some billions of degrees, and the vibrating wave particles, which were the quantum of that energy, collided in nuclear fusion reactions to form hydrogen and helium and when the universal temperature had cooled to a point where fusion stopped generating these basic elements, it left hydrogen as the dominant component from which the first gigantic stars were created, through gravitational attraction, in which massive atomic reactors, the heavier elements, such as carbon and oxygen, etc, would be created.

Bursting into life and light throughout the primitive universe over an unknown period of time, those first generation stars would have been thousands upon thousands of times as massive as our Sun and millions of times as bright, but each one burned for only a few million years before meeting a violent end, when they exploded out in a brilliant flash before collapsing in upon themselves creating the massive centrally condensed systems called ‘Black Holes,’ in which the greater percentage of their mass was trapped. The first creative day ended as all those gigantic stars collapsed Those first gigantic stars, from which the galaxies would later be created and which would have been collapsing in upon themselves, and evening descended as the lights of the universe went out, and the black holes devoured each other, and darkness covered the contracting space.

And there was evening and morning, Day one. Because, from darkness came the Light, the Hebrews, Egyptians, and other ancient cultures begin their day with 12 hours of darkness followed by 12 hours of light.
Yeah yeah. I'll leave you to it.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Allah is the "Light (Energy)". (Quran 24:35)

In physics there are (at least) nine forms of energy, and the EM spectrum, mediated by the photon, is only one of them.
3. "Energy" was not born (cannot be created).
Until 'dark energy' is understood, it's not clear that the expansion of the universe doesn't entail the creation of energy, or the importing of energy from some elsewhere.

(While I like the hypothesis that the universe exists as it does because it's derived from mass-energy and the properties of mass-energy, I think the equation of God with physics leads either to pantheism, which is unhelpful, or to a god with no purposes or attitudes.)
 

Matheist

http://animist.net
Until 'dark energy' is understood, it's not clear that the expansion of the universe doesn't entail the creation of energy, or the importing of energy from some elsewhere.

There is only one issue:

Whether there is a designer/architect for this Universe?

If yes, which god from 320,000,000 Gods?​

Therefore the test is not for "being educated" (discover everything) but for "being intellect" (making sound logical deduction).

Those who are blind in this world will be blind in the Next World and even further off the Path. (Quran 17:72)​

I don't need to discover everything just to prove that there is a "DESIGNER" for the Universe. I don't even have the ability to live for 10,000 years and prove with certainty about God (1, EVERYTHING). That will never happen.

Hence my obligation is to read the "PATTERNS" and make a conclusion that there is a "DESIGNER" for this Universe. My mission is to make a logical deduction and find out my purpose in life. Very simple.

One life one choice, and what you do is up to you.
 
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The Anointed

Well-Known Member
There is only one issue:

Whether there is a designer/architect for this Universe?

If yes, which god from 320,000,000 Gods?​

Therefore the test is not for "being educated" (discover everything) but for "being intellect" (making sound logical deduction).

Those who are blind in this world will be blind in the Next World and even further off the Path. (Quran 17:72)​

I don't need to discover everything just to prove that there is a "DESIGNER" for the Universe. I don't even have the ability to live for 10,000 years and prove with certainty about God (1, EVERYTHING). That will never happen.

Hence my obligation is to read the "PATTERNS" and make a conclusion that there is a "DESIGNER" for this Universe. My mission is to make a logical deduction and find out my purpose in life. Very simple.

One life one choice, and what you do is up to you.

We know that the space station and all its intricate earthly support systems, evolved from the wheel, but not until the creator of the wheel had created billions of later creations after the wheel, each creation being the height to which the mind of the creator of the space station, which had evolved from the wheel, had itself evolved at the time of each of those creations leading up to the Space Station which had evolved from the wheel through intelligent design.

There is but one who has neither beginning or end, the eternal energy that can never be created nor destroyed, which energy is the only existence and has become all that exists, and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] or God has become.

In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists discovered that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.

It is this eternal energy that has made itself manifest in the creation itself.

Nothing Is Solid & Everything Is Energy – Scientists Explain The World of Quantum Physics*
 
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Matheist

http://animist.net
There are many planets before and after Earth (land, regardless of which planet it is)

As We originated the first creation so We will regenerate it. (Quran 21:108)

And do not corrupt the land after it has been reformed. (Quran 7:56)

Lord said to the angels, "I am putting a khalif on the earth,´ they said, ´Why put on it one who [BEFORE ADAM] will cause corruption on it and shed blood" (Quran 2:30)​

and for ...

On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (Quran 50:30)​

But no worry, time is an illusion and everyone have 60 minutes after death. Just take a little nap and everything is over ... no matter how many billion or trillion etc years it takes.

On the Day the Hour comes, the guilty will swear they lingered no more than an hour- they have always been deluded. (Quran 30:55)​

Main issue remain:
  1. Energy make certain the LordLaw of Cause & Effect
  2. Natural cause or ways of life, makes natural effects: Paradise
  3. Unnatural cause or ways of life, makes unnatural effects: Hell
  4. There is no exception, but "We hear, we obey Nature's God"; "They will enter Paradise no further than a camel can pass through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals (of climate change and mass extinctions, ecological disorder)" (Quran 7:40)
That brings the value of "1" for Afterlife, everything else in this reality is "0" (manifested, borrowed, dreams) .. everything, the whole universe.

The life of this world is only an illusion (0). (Quran 57:20)

There is but one who has neither beginning or end, the eternal energy that can never be created nor destroyed, which energy is the only existence and has become all that exists, and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] or God has become.

Truth (1) exists; falsehood (0) can neither originate, nor regenerate. (Quran 34:49)
 
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The Anointed

Well-Known Member
There are many planets before and after Earth (land, regardless of which planet it is)

As We originated the first creation so We will regenerate it. (Quran 21:108)

And do not corrupt the land after it has been reformed. (Quran 7:56)

Lord said to the angels, "I am putting a khalif on the earth,´ they said, ´Why put on it one who [BEFORE ADAM] will cause corruption on it and shed blood" (Quran 2:30)​

and for ...

On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (Quran 50:30)​

But no worry, time is an illusion and everyone have 60 minutes after death. Just take a little nap and everything is over ... no matter how many billion or trillion etc years it takes.

On the Day the Hour comes, the guilty will swear they lingered no more than an hour- they have always been deluded. (Quran 30:55)​

Main issue remain:
  1. Energy make certain the LordLaw of Cause & Effect
  2. Natural cause or ways of life, makes natural effects: Paradise
  3. Unnatural cause or ways of life, makes unnatural effects: Hell
  4. There is no exception, but "We hear, we obey Nature's God"; "They will enter Paradise no further than a camel can pass through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals (of climate change and mass extinctions, ecological disorder)" (Quran 7:40)
That brings the value of "1" for Afterlife, everything else in this reality is "0" (manifested, borrowed, dreams) .. everything, the whole universe.

The life of this world is only an illusion (0). (Quran 57:20)



Truth (1) exists; falsehood (0) can neither originate, nor regenerate. (Quran 34:49)

Truth:------Energy can never be created and never be destroyed.

Truth:------ All that exists is the eternal energy, which has neither beginning or end and has developed an invisible mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] or God has become.

He is the essential divine reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from which all being originates and to who all must return: He is the collective consciousness of all life.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Only in metaphor. The universe was produced by indifferent Nature, not by purposeful gods.​
I don't need to discover everything just to prove that there is a "DESIGNER" for the Universe.
Just so.

All you need to prove is that there is an entity called 'God' that has objective existence (is not just a thing imagined in individual brains), define it in real terms so that if we ever find a real candidate we can tell whether it's God or not, and then give us a satisfactory demonstration of this God as a real entity. The process for establishing the existence of X in reality is much the same, whether X is the Higgs boson or God.
 

Matheist

http://animist.net
Only in metaphor. The universe was produced by indifferent Nature, not by purposeful gods.​
ALL MANKIND agree with Nature's God. That's what God is all about otherwise it is not God.

United States Declaration of Independence: "...When in the course of human events [ie. ALL GODS], it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God [ie. ALL GODS] entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation..."

God is the LordLaw of the Universe. (Quran 1:2)

He made all gods same god. (Quran 38:5)

Sufi Metaphysics
Sufi metaphysics - Wikipedia

All you need to prove is that there is an entity called 'God' that has objective existence (is not just a thing imagined in individual brains), define it in real terms so that if we ever find a real candidate we can tell whether it's God or not, and then give us a satisfactory demonstration of this God as a real entity. The process for establishing the existence of X in reality is much the same, whether X is the Higgs boson or God.

God is ENERGY.

Already did.. ancient people called it the "Light". Tesla refers it as the "Light". In your language, you call it "Energy". People from different countries refer to "Energy" as follows:

Bangla: শক্তি
Bulgarian: Енергия
Chinese Simplified: 能源
Chinese Traditional: 能源
Cantonese (Traditional): 能源
Fijian: Kaukauwa
Filipino: Enerhiya
Greek: Ενέργεια
Hebrew: אנרגיה
Hindi: ऊर्जा
Hmong Daw: Zog
Icelandic: Orku
Japanese: エネルギー
Kiswahili: Nishati
Klingon: HoS
Klingon (pIqaD): 
Korean: 에너지
Malagasy: Hery
Malay: Tenaga
Persian: انرژی
Russian: Энергия
Samoan: Malosi
Serbian (Cyrillic): Енергија
Tahitian: Puai
Tamil: ஆற்றல்
Telugu: శక్తి
Thai: พลังงาน
Tongan: Ivi
Ukrainian: Енергія
Urdu: توانائی
Vietnamese: Năng lượng
Welsh: Ynni​

All these are attributes of God. God is what He does, and what He did is about ENERGY. Therefore, what's wrong when ancient people refer to Energy as the Light or Allah?

What's wrong pronouncing an "orange" as "narandžasta (Bosnian)"?

Both East and West belong to Allah, so wherever you turn, the Face of Allah is there. (Quran 2:115)

To Allah/Energy alone belong all perfect attributes. So call on Him by these attributes. And leave alone those who deviate from the right way with respect to His attributes. (Quran 7:180)


Can you see now? The issue of Atheism is not about God at all....
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
ALL MANKIND agree with Nature's God. That's what God is all about otherwise it is not God.
It's easy, it's effortless, to show this proposition is not an accurate statement about reality.
God is the LordLaw of the Universe. (Quran 1:2)
All monotheistic religions make claims like that. And all such claims originate with humans, since no god exists outside of the beings that humans imagine to be gods.

And I take it you're familiar with the history of the Qur'an, and know that not one word of which can be shown to originate with the prophet.
God is ENERGY.
Energy is a set of related concepts in physics. The conclusions of physics as they stand from time to time are worthy of respect, but not of worship.
Can you see now? The issue of Atheism is not about God at all....
Yes it is. But for theism, atheism would be meaningless.
 

Matheist

http://animist.net
#ALL MANKIND agree with Nature's God. That's what God is all about otherwise it is not God.

It's easy, it's effortless, to show this proposition is not an accurate statement about reality.

So that's how decide what is Falsehood?


#God is the LordLaw of the Universe. (Quran 1:2)

All monotheistic religions make claims like that. And all such claims originate with humans, since no god exists outside of the beings that humans imagine to be gods.

It is claims about Nature's God..

So how can you prove it is fallacious?

And I take it you're familiar with the history of the Qur'an, and know that not one word of which can be shown to originate with the prophet.

How does it relate on proving the argument in the Quran is Falsehood?


Energy is a set of related concepts in physics. The conclusions of physics as they stand from time to time are worthy of respect, but not of worship.

That's what the Quran is saying... there is no contradiction.

I demand no livelihood of them, nor do I ask that they should feed Me. (Quran 51:57)

#Can you see now? The issue of Atheism is not about God at all....

Yes it is. But for theism, atheism would be meaningless.

It is bigotry alright.
 
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