Allah the Arabic name of GOD

[Pink Top Hat]

Before Islam and Muhammed Arabs already worshipped a God called Illah which i think means God and adding Al it becomes the God,thats from my understanding anyway.

no this is wrong

Possibly,i think this is the culprit,"if i am considerate a cat or anything as "God " , i will call it "Allah"

Are you saying that "if i consider a Cat or anything else as "God" i will call it "Allah" meaning that although "God" shares the same name both pre and post Islam but only the post Islam one is divine.

In Arabic there are 2 words meaning different things.

Illeh and Allah

Illeh means god. It can mean any god. A pharaonic god. A pagan god. Any god or idol. Horus is an Illeh. Isis is an Illeh.

Allah is a name.

It is a word in Arabic with only one meaning and can be used for only one person.
In Arabic Allah means the name of an Illeh. But to Muslims that Illeh is called Allah. The only one true God.

Christians in the Middle East call God Allah also if they are Arabic speakers. Allah is not only a Muslim word. It is used by Middle Easterners when they speak of the one true God. The God of Abraham.

When Western Christians speak of a 'moon god Allah' they just show ignorance in the extreme because they dont even realise they are also insulting Middle Eastern Christians God also named Allah.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

I don't have to kill anyone , only in defence.....
just as last note , for my personal experience
i am Algerian , i am study in university , my university is close (neighbore) of Air Base army ,we always hearing the the noise of the planes , it's very harsh sound , in that time i always remember the Iraqi people whom suffring by this sound from 1991 until this year !!! i am not talking about the fearing/scare about hitted by missile by the plane , i am just talking about the wicked sound of the planes when they fly over you maybe every day , for more than 15 years of war and seige!!!

How pathetic is it that after our government has spent so much money on the Iraqi people in an attempt to better their lives, including the removal of a tyrannical dictator named Saddam Hussein from office, these people not only thankless but paint themselves as persecuted. You guys are blinded by religious fanaticism and lies preached by your imams if you really believe this is some sort of 21st century crusade by "Christian" America.

 

[England my lionheart]

no this is wrong



In Arabic there are 2 words meaning different things.

Illeh and Allah

Illeh means god. It can mean any god. A pharaonic god. A pagan god. Any god or idol. Horus is an Illeh. Isis is an Illeh.

Allah is a name.

It is a word in Arabic with only one meaning and can be used for only one person.
In Arabic Allah means the name of an Illeh. But to Muslims that Illeh is called Allah. The only one true God.

Christians in the Middle East call God Allah also if they are Arabic speakers. Allah is not only a Muslim word. It is used by Middle Easterners when they speak of the one true God. The God of Abraham.

When Western Christians speak of a 'moon god Allah' they just show ignorance in the extreme because they dont even realise they are also insulting Middle Eastern Christians God also named Allah.

It only has one meaning now but wasn't it used pre Islam to mean "the God",that was all i was trying to get accross.

 

[Iti oj]

How pathetic is it that after our government has spent so much money on the Iraqi people in an attempt to better their lives, including the removal of a tyrannical dictator named Saddam Hussein from office, these people not only thankless but paint themselves as persecuted. You guys are blinded by religious fanaticism and lies preached by your imams if you really believe this is some sort of 21st century crusade by "Christian" America.

You try living in a war torn area and see how you feel about every one and everything.

 

[England my lionheart]

You try living in a war torn area and see how you feel about every one and everything.

My Parents lived in a worn torn area,even had their House bombed to pieces but it didn't make them into maniacs killing their own people.

 

[Iti oj]

you one of the victimes !!! , this is misuderdanding not understanding .
that what make you many people misunderstand the word "Allah", I am Arabic , if i am considerate a cat or anything as "God " , i will call it "Allah", did you get my point ?
they considerate many Idols as Gods (ALLAHs) , they worshiped them and they called each one of them , (Allah) , "GOD"

yeah Al-, is mean "the" , it's arabic definition article to any name .

Persons are known from their tongues,you are a real gentleman and i do appreciate you
for being sincere and honest,thank you Iti oj

Thank you friend. Hugs. Anyways I have been following and posting in this thread for a fewdays now and me thinkith I owe some of you frubals when I get home and can post on my comp.

 

[Godobeyer]

i know who are you now,
you are RAMBO

this is rambo , how he become ? he becomes beautiful

any way , I guess he mean , he want to kill (bad ) muslims , but i want to ask him why he did not start by the (bad christians) first

as we said always if you want to do some good deeds , we will start by our selves

 

[FearGod]

How pathetic is it that after our government has spent so much money on the Iraqi people in an attempt to better their lives, including the removal of a tyrannical dictator named Saddam Hussein from office, these people not only thankless but paint themselves as persecuted. You guys are blinded by religious fanaticism and lies preached by your imams if you really believe this is some sort of 21st century crusade by "Christian" America.

listen not to the Iraqi,but listen to an American honest soldier,
i wish if that you may cry when you listen to him,just a wish

[youtube]WcMk3V3LZcQ[/youtube]
American Soldier Against IRAQ War 'I Killed Innocent People' - YouTube

 

[Iti oj]

And who is that woman? She is most amazing. More of her please

 

[Godobeyer]

Thank you friend. Hugs. Anyways I have been following and posting in this thread for a fewdays now and me thinkith I owe some of you frubals when I get home and can post on my comp.

for my undrstanding the word Allah is mean God in arabic in general , that's why even the arabic christians and arabic jews use "Allah" it to called God .
for my understanding we the muslims use it as proper name to call God .

 

[JohnG]

I'm neither Christian nor Muslim, but I've been correcting people about that for years. Most of them are pretty easily convinced once you point out that 'bog' is the Russian word for god, 'gott' is the German word, 'dieu' is the French world, etc., and that 'allah' is just the arabic word.

There are some that just will never get it, because they don't want to. As a polytheist, I've had those same people tell me that I can't call my deities gods because the word god means one supreme being. They couldn't be more wrong, the word 'god' predates any influence of the middle eastern religions (or any form of monotheism) in Europe. The word is related to the high german word 'got' and the old norse word 'goð.' Pre-christian pagans in Norway called their priests 'goði.' Christians didn't use the word until they came to Europe. That's not to say that they shouldn't use it for Jehovah, because that's what word describes him.

One could argue that polytheists shouldn't capitalize the word god when referring to our deities, and I don't do that. This would make the difference between 'God' and 'god' the same as the difference between 'Allah' and 'illeh'. I have no problem with that comparison at all. But any non-abrahamic monotheistic religion should feel perfectly fine capitalizing the world 'God', in my opinion. Because they are referring to one specific god, just not the same one that the Abrahamic religions refer to.

But as I think the largest argument against any of this comes purely from intolerance. Arguing with intolerance and bigotry is futile. Anyhow, that's my two cents on the usage and translation of the word god.

 

[Iti oj]

My Parents lived in a worn torn area,even had their House bombed to pieces but it didn't make them into maniacs killing their own people.

This has nothing to do with what I replied to. Reread the post I resonded too. And fyi I agree with you.

 

[FearGod]

And who is that woman? She is most amazing. More of her please

Why not
She is a lebanese terrorist singer

[youtube]eEZ9fhdDGs4[/youtube]
Haifaa Wahby - Boos El Wawa /

 

[Iti oj]

I'm neither Christian nor Muslim, but I've been correcting people about that for years. Most of them are pretty easily convinced once you point out that 'bog' is the Russian word for god, 'gott' is the German word, 'dieu' is the French world, etc., and that 'allah' is just the arabic word.

There are some that just will never get it, because they don't want to. As a polytheist, I've had those same people tell me that I can't call my deities gods because the word god means one supreme being. They couldn't be more wrong, the word 'god' predates any influence of the middle eastern religions (or any form of monotheism) in Europe. The word is related to the high german word 'got' and the old norse word 'goð.' Pre-christian pagans in Norway called their priests 'goði.' Christians didn't use the word until they came to Europe. That's not to say that they shouldn't use it for Jehovah, because that's what word describes him.

One could argue that polytheists shouldn't capitalize the word god when referring to our deities, and I don't do that. This would make the difference between 'God' and 'god' the same as the difference between 'Allah' and 'illeh'. I have no problem with that comparison at all. But any non-abrahamic monotheistic religion should feel perfectly fine capitalizing the world 'God', in my opinion. Because they are referring to one specific god, just not the same one that the Abrahamic religions refer to.

But as I think the largest argument against any of this comes purely from intolerance. Arguing with intolerance and bigotry is futile. Anyhow, that's my two cents on the usage and translation of the word god.

I was only going to frubal this but I noticed your new so wanted to tell you your post was informative interest and well written:shout:shout I think he looks like he is clapping

 

[Godobeyer]

listen not to the Iraqi,but listen to an American honest soldier,
i wish if that you may cry when you listen to him,just a wish

[youtube]WcMk3V3LZcQ[/youtube]
American Soldier Against IRAQ War 'I Killed Innocent People' - YouTube

this is very good exemple about kind American soldier

 

[-Peacemaker-]

listen not to the Iraqi,but listen to an American honest soldier,
i wish if that you may cry when you listen to him,just a wish

[youtube]WcMk3V3LZcQ[/youtube]
American Soldier Against IRAQ War 'I Killed Innocent People' - YouTube

I'll tell you what makes me want to cry. It's the cowards who were trying to kill those marines that had no problem using a civilian house with a family inside of it as cover.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Godobeyer,

hi zenzero
because Allah is arabic proper noun of God , then we the muslims have to pray God in arabic because the Quran is Arabic , it's not permission to pray to God (the 5 Prayers) in other langauge then Arabic , which mean the practice of the Salat (pray) is should be in Arabic .

Are you stating that languages developed even before humans evolved? That there was no God before human evolution?? That God cannot be prayed to in any other languages????

Love & rgds

 

[Iti oj]

They say the rebels in Iraq still fight for Saddam
But that's ********, I'll show you why it's totally wrong
Cuz if another country invaded the hood tonight
It'd be warfare through Harlem, and Washington Heights
I wouldn't be fightin' for Bush or White America's dream
I'd be fightin' for my people's survival and self-esteem
I wouldn't fight for racist churches from the south, my ^^^^
I'd be fightin' to keep the occupation out, my <<<<
You ever clock someone who talk ****, or look at you wrong?
Imagine if they shot at you, and was rapin' your moms
And of course Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons
We sold him that ****, after Ronald Reagan's election

JUNGLE
[youtube]7OaRjR4xH5I[/youtube]
Bin laden - immortal technique ft. Mos Def & Eminem - YouTube

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Mos Def, aka Dante Smith, is an interesting character. I've listened and actually been a fan of some of his music. He surely hates America and the white man. Nevertheless, even though he possesses the financial means to live anywhere he wants, he can't seem to find a better country to call home.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Don't hate. I am sure he has the right to express anger about white people. Blacks and other minorities are still not treated exactly the best.

And shoot. Whats next, will you say all Liberals hate America to and should leave?

But this is for another thread. Allah and arabic is the topic for now